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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Sorry Merlin, my only refs. are from online (where no, Google doesn’t know everything…) I think I have a couple photos from Mike Lombardi that might help, yes its 4 to midnight in Alaska but I’m still rummaging around in my archives for so many long lost memories. I’ll find what I have for certainty, but you might need a call to KSEA for the real goods.
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Thanks Ahmed.
In the grand scheme of things this is a pittance, though in the heat of the moment it seems far worse. Our birds still fly; one has built a nest next to myself and of all creatures a cat…We’re warm, safe, and that C152 is now *in* the hangar, since the roof it passed through was folded…But (isn’t there always a *But…* in English?) at least its inside. PANC NOAA is now saying 6am for the wind to stop but as always I’ll forever trust the Weather Rock & fly accordingly.
Regardless. Fly with your head *and* your heart, and know Alaska chose me, as much as I chose her.
NB @LH707, KSEA in January. Be watching your inbox, & flights into KBFI.
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Oy. Late to the game again, tho…Here I am. So:
The latest 7×7 birds are IIRC not made with AlClad (trademark of ALCOA, FWIW) and are not unlike the A300 which is probably what you’re remembering as being the first gre(a)y airliner.
Then again, AM has a bazillion gallons of BAC707 in both KFTW & KTUL, and while bare metal looks awesome–Taking me back to a 1989 Friday in Oklahoma when I saw a DC-10 toss the sun back at me–Honestly it’s the times, the economics, the minds in charge now who paint these machines.
I’m squarely with Jodie on this one, but alas…As she wisely said, at least someone tried.
That’s all I’ve got.
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.There’s a definite difference, taking into account the difference in fuselage constant-section, and the 3- vs. 2-crew flight decks…Which is where the filler sleight of hand comes in.
Tho to be fair, aside from the inlets on the DC-8, by the time you get to the windscreen things above the floor are more or less the same (and even in a larger scale like 1:100 it’s easier to just fake it anyway, since the -8 kit’s cab is off anyway)
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Hi All-
Just a thought: It’s become apparent to me that while they may look the same to the average eye (whatever that is…) the DC-8/9 cabs may have been similar but are quite different.
IMO the 8 has for lack of a better word a more “pointed” front. The pack cheeks make it seem a little less, but looking at engineering prints has me thinking that once those were taken out for the 9 things seemed a bit more blunt when you look at the radome and what follows.
I think (again, subjective, IMO) the 8 is a bit more sleek, while the 9 just seems to bust through the air like a bull in a china shop.
From a modelling perspective I think Mike’s approach is better–Fix the pinched cab crown, leave the lower section alone save for some blending. Might not be dead-on perfect scaling (see my other post about that) but it works.
Walter- No worries on the 9 nose, I’m still looking while trying to find some old parts & pieces for another kit, so it’ll be a few days but I’ll get it to you 😁
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Hi Mike & All-
Yep, that’s a lot closer to reality. It’s much an extension of my now (in)famous 2mm drop of the Heller 707 cab fix, but with a bit of putty & some primer it works.
Walter: Standby 1, I’m ripping boxes open tonight & tomorrow for parts & pieces…Drop me your contact info offline & I’ll let you know what I’ve found.
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Hi Robert (awesome name, BTW 😉 )
Beautiful KC-10…That aside, for you & all here I realize this is a really bizarre comment, but…
In my experience with casting parts, the best finish is on the inside (think black resin with aluminum powder polished out). For parts I’ve known would be either light colored or white, I’ve long used epoxy loaded with titanium oxide powder, which is the base for pretty much all white finishes these days.
Take that to a new level, and cut said epoxy mix with some acetone or isopropyl alcohol to make it flow, and as long as you clean your gear well afterwards it makes a nearly bulletproof white finish.
Just a thought…
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Hi Walter-
Seeing no replies yet, a thought: The Doyusha DC-9 is nearly dead-on accurate from my McD drawings, & while it might take a little blending should fit the DC-8 kit fine. I casted a couple copies for my own projects that are currently stored tho if you’d like I can dive into the deep end and see if I can be of help…
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Hey Merlin & All-
Yeah, I had my timeline & conversion dates backwards…The x-135 conversions came after the -700 first flew. *self smack to forehead* 🙂
Regardless, I do have the artwork (found it in a storage unit here in PAAQ, go figure…Lots of relics in this state) & think we can make it work since it’s all in Corel vector format. No scaling issues I can see, tho it’ll take some tweaking to fit which kit its all going on to. Nothing new there 🙂
Still looking @ being in KSEA in January, just fitting it in w/my now upcoming 4th surgery on my left shoulder (don’t ask…) & being ready to go.
More as it happens in a new thread…
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Hi All-
I’ll be happy to dive into a new 707 thread, so watch this space…Meantime, IIRC the “700” series 07s were an outgrowth of the KC-135 re-engine designs, right down to the pylons & all, excepting the lack of reversers on the -135 frames. Which brings things back full circle (again) given the 07s origins…
Sifting through my Indiana Jones archive for the art in 1:72…Will post more when I find it 🙂
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Merlin-
Yep that’s the one…My only parts are in 1:72 but I think we can make things work. Somewhere I even have the decal art (scavenger hunt, yay!!!) so we can make it happen one way or another…
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Hi Frank-
Totally with you on the 1:48 size issue…It’s a beast of a model 🙂
Looks like you’re well on your way to a great build, please keep us posted…
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Hi Frank-
Having built civil Herk models for the AAHM in various historical markings more than once, if you’re not averse to 1:48, try the Italeri kit. It’s already split b/c of mold size issues so you might find that an easier start, IMO.
Just a thought…
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Merlin-
Oh man, that “707-720CFM” bird?? I think I might even have a spare set of CFMs I can hand over if you need them…
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Damn. I first met Gerry in KSEA in 1998, when I handled Russell Brown’s table during tech stops (😁) and the contest @ AI that year. He was always a stand-up guy, and a real friend to everyone he met.
Maybe I’m getting too old, but so many of the real legends seem to be falling stars these days.
Wherever you’re flying, keep the blue side up my friend…
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.I’ve seen it elsewhere too but never in the US. Are we really that jaded now, after all these 122 years???
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Oy, typos! That’s work contact, and sonic. Good grief I can’t stand big hands on an iPhone keypad 😜
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.JC-
Congrats on multiple levels; knowing what to “fix” & what to let go…And for not falling into the trap that I witnessed firsthand at an IPMS show when a visitor blurted out “Oh, that’s amazing! I could never do that!” To which my good friend Ralph quietly commented, “You’re right, you can’t. Because you’ve convinced yourself it’ll never happen.”
Every artist invariably sees the flaws in their work. But life has taught me that what *I* see I keep to myself, and let those who love the result have their moment.
Keep the blue side up…
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Ka-ching, Merlin. One of the things I’ve learned from people with lots of letters after their names is that we, broadly, as modelers see things most people don’t. I still remember over 25 years ago laying out a garden parallel to my house, and driving others insane when I said “That far end needs to be about 7 inches to the right.” From 30 feet away. Yikes.
Then again, if it gets me there (safely) and with enough integrety to take a bit more than it was meant to do, any little model of the real thing is just frosting on the cake, IMO.
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.BTW, that’s a beautiful 27 shorty…My favorite airliner ever, she’s way overbuilt like a battleship, but flies like a rocket (M0.83, IIRC was the usual cruise) & was the first airplane outside of a wind tunnel I saw a transonic shock wave sitting right perfectly at quarter chord on a flight from KATL to KTUL. It’s beautiful (yeah, I’m an engineer geek) to see hand-drawn and built theory come alive. And with no CAD, no “modern” conviences–Just the intuition and imagination of those who knew how to fly even more awesomely than my roommate, an African blue parrot who went bats**t crazy when I took her up in my right seat. Nothing freaks out ATC than hearing the scream of “Bluu Flying!!! Fly!!! Oh, hold on!!!” when you vector back to PAMR over Fairview in Anchorage (and dodging a few military fields and mountains…At twilight. ‘Nough said 😉
At least there were no phone numbers to copy after I rolled out. Oy.
Keep building what you love. That’s the best feeling of all.
Rob in AK
That which moves my soul will forever move my self.
Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Funny enough, both the 07 & 27 “classic” models like the Revell & Heller kits are dead-on accurate with the Boeing drawings. Right down to the 43 Section quirk.
Which makes me wonder in a chicken/egg way, in all the years before CAD, etc. just how were these birds built to fly? Never ask me to make another VC-10–they were all hand built, as BA & the RAF came to realize…I converted an Airfix 1:72 Nimrod back to the penultimate Comet 4 years back in Raspberry Ripple colors, and was astounded to find the fuselage contours nearly perfectly fit a standard (USA, anyway) French Curve. So was it a cheat on Airfix’ part, or did DH follow Kelley Johnson’s old adage that if it looks right, it’ll fly right?
Who knows…But that model, and my innumerable 27s sure look good to me…
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Well, there you have it. All I can do is the best with what I have, and take it on faith there’s *way* more DC-3 WBF designs than you think 😁
That 27 is gorgeous; I’d love to scale it up to my 1:32 fascination (IMO it’s the best airplane Boeing ever made) so keep up the good work. Build what you like, how you like it, and in the words of Jim Messina “Follow your dreams, and do what you love to do.”
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Hey Merlin-
Sorry to be late to the game (did we win??? 😂) But with registrations, the rule of thumb in the USA is N[1-0]{up to 5 digits}; with less than 5, you get either 1 or 2 alpha characters, usually excluding O, I, and sometimes B to avoid visual confusion.
My first love was N93046. My Electra was N9744C, carried over from Western when she first flew out of Burbank 45 years before.
There are ‘vanity’ regs like US auto license plates; most folks as noted just don’t care, since a new reg is only $10 to the FAA, but the repaint–Ouch.
The last big deal I saw lately was when Alaska started re-regging their 37 fleet to NxxxAK instead of NxxxAS. No one really cared but the egos up top, tho it still made the paper for one day 😉
So there you go…
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Hi Robert- (great name, BTW, we’re already related 😁)
As far as Apoxie goes, a couple notes: First is that after decades of composite work I’ve found it to be spot on that epoxies take *tons* of filler far more foregivenly than urethanes, and warp way less.
My personal favorite in scratchbuilding is to load Apoxie White (or if I’m casting my go-to Orca resin) with black pigment and a touch of alumin(i)um paint powder, then polish the heck out of it until it either looks like chrome or just well-flown ALCOA 2024 (sorry, engineer geek moment…) Never lifts with a fingerprint, stays rock hard, & in my oldest and near first build of a B-36 won’t sag, yellow (some epoxies do–watch out, unless you’re building a bare metal Russian bird) or degrade over time.
For all to note, one other thing about yhe “runny” Apoxie is that it can be brushed into a mold, and sculpting every version they make is easy with distilled water or isopropyl alcohol before it cures–And if you think it’s too hard, start at wet sanding with 320 grit paper, go up to about 600, and then put in some elbow grease with a damp shirt cloth. Bam, instant blinding polish 🙃
Off to get cleaned up for the day; stay happy and love your build ❤️
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Hey Merlin-
Man, do we have a long weekend in KSEA coming. It’s going to be a big one, so check your crosswinds & hold on 😁
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Thanks Ahmed! It’s been far too long, but true love never goes away. I still remember that awesome post you made years ago about flying on an Ariana 720.
And forever thanks from another weird guy who takes pictures over a fence from a step ladder in the back of his truck 😁
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Hi Ken!
Yep, that was me, along with “North of You” and “Where the heck is Livengood???” 🙃<!–more–>
As for the SP, after no less than 4 tries and the help of Jennings and Boeing I seem to have made a lot of friends with my masters of the Platz 1:200 47 shorty…Since I have the space, time, and cash on hand (and folks at the local Kinko’s who are convinced I’m insane when they just point me at the large copier) I thought “Well heck, why not???” and dove in.
The F-16 is about 1/3 done, next up is my holy grail of a 1:10 L-188 built around the old Monogram D513 engine kit that made me an Alaskan in about 10 minutes…And a lot of now illegal things we won’t discuss online, ‘cept to say it was in a previous millenium.
It’s good to come home. My HpH 1:32 DC-3 *and* C-47 will soon enough wear my new found kinda/sorta retired “You’ve got one life, go live it!” colors…And you may well see me at another IPMS show with my showbirds and Beatles’ 1964 PA 707 in their full glory.
And if you come up, let me show you what a 1:9 Boeing wind tunnel model looks like. The airport said it was too big to pay for, so it’s in the Alaska Aviation Heritage Museum, and yes, it really can fly 🙃
Build on!
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.I’ve used Apoxie for years for scratchbuilding, always worked great. If you haven’t, try their version that comes in the quarter-pint tubs as it’s a little softer, sands better, and takes a ton of pigment well.
Never use JB Weld if you value your time 🙂
For warp-free castings I’ve had awesome results with Orca Composites epoxy, as well as System 3 resin. No warp, easy to tint (hint: dye it black, mix in some aluminum paint powder, and polish for natural metal that will never go wrong…)
HTH
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Hey Merlin- Thanks for the kind words! I threw in the IT towel a couple years ago and moved on to my real love (no, not falling to the ground 😉 when I was driving past PAAQ and saw that green yellow and white bird sitting on the ramp. Welcome to love at third sight 🙂
The SP is slowly coming together, with a second (my reputation appears to have followed me) USAF Aggressor F-16 from Eielson for another retiree.
Hoping to be back @ KSEA/KBFI in January, with lots to follow. And in the meantime if you’re jonesing for your fave plane, I have no less than 9 707s waiting conversion or outright builds, which I’ll gladly share 🙂
Keep the blue side up…
R
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.If you’d like, reach out to me for photos. I have about 400 pics of interior and exterior views of Reeve birds still with 1950’s interiors, and artwork that was tweaked to match the Hase plastic. I built them one in ‘99 as a thank you for their hospitality, I still wonder where endeded up…Never forgetting that the MoF’s Boeing 80 was rescued from the Anchorage landfill…Literally…
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Gus :
Props of a working engine bend forward.
Props on a feathered engine bend sideways.Yep, basic physics. Movement forward means bending forward. Same reason you eat the airbag in a frontal collision in your car…
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.“The only replacement for a DC-3 is a DC-3.”
How true.
That a 77 year old frame is worth dropping a quarter large on to fix says a mighty lot…
Then again, we have the 81 year old Ozark museum DC-3A here in PAAQ now, still flying. She buzzed the house last week, scared the crap out of me. I’d forgotten how loud those old radials are, esp. at 1200 feet…
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.You’re correct, I was thinking of Z scale on the 1:200-ish front. Still, O scale is 1:48 (the real question…) and comes in really handy at times.
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.One thought: The diameter/window pitch (in decal form at least) proportions on this kit are quite close to those of a 1:144 767; I used an old LU SAS sheet to build one of these as a -21 (color scheme only, the windows of course weren‘t the 67s…) about 20-odd years ago. Alas it was lost & no pics exist, but the belly stripes were nearly perfect & the titles were as well. YMMV, but worth thinking of if you want some scheme options, as I’m sure other sheets would work too.
Oh, and if you modify the kit, don’t forget to properly adjust the reverser fairings on the engines. Taka a look at photos of real birds & you’ll see what I mean..
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.One of the cool & nice things about 1:48 is that there’s a whole second world of accessories/add-ons/you name it: ‘O’ scale railroad models. I’d check the Walthers catalog for figures & accessories you can modify or even use straight OOB. I’ve done that many times…And don’t forget that ‘N’ scale is 1:200, on the smaller end of things.
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Thanks Laurent!
Rarely (ever???) is one kit perfect, so I tend to pick up “one of each” and mix-and-match parts until I’m satisfied. This tells me all I need, so at least one of these kits will be heading my way.
Many thanks!!!
Rob in AK
NB To whomever mentioned the Caravelle, we’re totally in agreement. It has its flaws, yes, but its a 1:72 Caravelle, and I doubt we’ll ever see another kit of the world’s first short-range airliner—with a DH Comet nose, no less! And if you want to be even more unique, how many pre-EADS French jets ever saw service here in the USA???
Build on!
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.With all due respect—I think your thesis is correct except for the fewer airlines posit, there are more now than ever—What we’re seeing is the rampant/rabid growth of an industry, for the reasons Ahmed mentioned, and one very strongly implied: Deregulation. Look at what happened in 1979 in the US, the year after the airlines were deregulated: A huge boom in growth, followed by what economists laughingly euphemize as an “adjustment.”
These countries with huge numbers of new orders for new airliners for their new airlines are all doing what happened here 40 years ago—or 30 in Russia, or, or…
When the matket opens up, there’s a race to the finish line. In the end we’ll see a glut of scrap alumin(i)um when things settle down, but with nationalized carriers dying or dead and startups sprouting like spring flowers, this is what you get.
My opinion is that in 20 years either the global power and economic balance will shift to Asia, leaving the market wide open, or it’ll collapse under its own weight and we’ll see mega-nations with 3-5 major players—just like in the US. Or perhaps both. What’s Southwest’s fleet count now, 800+ frames? That’s one airline in a country of nominally 370 million people—and they have competition. That fleet was built over half a century; others in nations of 1.5 *billion* are just playing catch-up in their newly semi-free markets…
IMO
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Laurent-
Have you (or anyone else here) laid eyes on this kit yet? I have the Anigrand resin kit that with mods I’d like to build up, but if the Mach 2 has better shape, etc. I’d be inclined to at a minimum engage in a kitbash…Built well this will be an amazing subject, in nearly any colors (tho I’m partial to the red/yellow RAE Bedford scheme…
Rob in AK
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Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Thanks for the update Dan! Glad to see the wide variety of transports on display once again.
Someday I’ll make it back, hopefully with a couple more seminars in tow…Meantime, enjoy the show & hoping your big Il’yushin turns a good few heads!!!
Cheers
Rob in AK
That which moves my soul will forever move my self.
Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Alas, working in IT I know all too well the variables are wildly varied and numerous.
Amongst the worst I’ve seen is two eminiently capable teams generating software that fails to work together—the ages-old interoperability issue. Add to that hardware, and, well, you know…
No nation or pay scale holds a monopoly on failure or success. History is replete with examples of disaster, from Mulholland’s St. Francis dam to AECL’s Therac, to the Soyuz decompression disaster. No one’s immune. We’re all human, we all screw up.
How we deal with it-including learning-is key.
Some random thoughts from an IT/engineer-type guy.
Rob in AK
That which moves my soul will forever move my self.
Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Nice pics all around…Glad you had clear weather @ KSEA. Been hearing reports of the various fires possibly bringing haze to western Washington. We’ve got similar issues here, my place up by the mountains is CAVU but Anchorage is a little hazy & campfire fresh from the action down on the Kenai. It’s made for some interesting viewing in PAAQ w/the State Forestry bird dogs & Conair’s tanker 52 running lots of trips.
Funny about those AS birds too. Never have heard why they’re the lone holdouts in the world for plugged eyebrows & winglets. I know they take a (sometimes big) performance hit…
Rob in AK
That which moves my soul will forever move my self.
Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.BruinPrideBand :
I’ ALWAYS a fan of widebodies on domestic flights. I reallllly get tired of flying a 737 or a32X everywhere I go. Not that there’s anything wrong with them… it’s just not as fun. I’ve finally gotten pretty good at building itineraries with odd routings so that I can fly a wide body. Example… In March I had to fly to MCO… Instead of just flying to MCO I flew to DFW and then to MIA on a 777, then up to MCO on a 737 Max.Rob, I’ve always wanted to fly up to ANC!
Chris
Chris-
Man, you’re on the edge of my old stomping grounds there in Branson…Lived in eastern Oklahoma & went to (then) UMR for the start of my college years before moving on!
I agree, oh for the good old days when DL had 767 flights from here to SLC daily, nonstop to ATL every summer…And TriStars before that. HA ran DC-10s to HNL, I even have a jigsaw puzzle showing the ANC north terminal with JAL 747s at every gate(!) in 1985…On and on. Now the only pax widebodies we get are Condor once a week in the summer, and JAL on their FAI charters all of 8 times a year in winter. Heck, last century (I love saying that!
) I used to fly OKC-DFW-ANC on DL just to get in legs on an EMB-120, 752, and 762 (or 763) all in one trip Fun DL anecdote: In the 767 days, they flew from the international terminal as the domestic side was old, cramped, and vaguely third-world in feel
. I don’t know how the tradition started but on every pushback, after the towbar disconnect the ground crew would assemble next to the tug and snap a salute. They’d hold it through the taxi until the tail cleared the group, then high-five one another and head back to the gate. I always thought that was classy…Never seen it since, here or anywhere else.Come on up any time (even winter, which is nowhere close to being as bad as some claim…) and if nothing else watch the fun as a 747 holds for a Super Cub to land, or have the retro experience of taking a scheduled flight from ANC to most anywhere in the state without going through security–very ’50s to go from car to boarding in 10 minutes
I can also point out some of the more secluded photo positions, esp. with the “usual” spotting hill inop b/c of runway construction.Rob in AK
That which moves my soul will forever move my self.
Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.I’d PM Laurent here, Almost certain he can answer most any F-DCAL/F-RSIN questions you may have…
Rob in AK
That which moves my soul will forever move my self.
Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Hey, a thought for the rare-type folks: TransNorthern Air has one of the extremely rare Super DC-3 frames that didn’t start as a C-117. They fly daily sightseeing flights, plus one could do worse than a PC-12 ride with Iliamna Air to Lake Clark National Park, a real gem anywhere in the world. It’s often compared to New Zealand, so…
Rob in AK
That which moves my soul will forever move my self.
Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Jennings :
I’d walk to ANC before I’d set foot on an American airplane to do the trip.Well, that’s your choice. There are over a dozen airlines, domestic and international, operating to at least 16 cities nonstop around the world to PANC…You yourself regaled me with stories of Alaskan adventure from your time here in the 1980s; I came chasing my dream of an Electra ride, and barely made it. I won’t deny anyone the awe and wonder of being here, on the ground or in the air.
I’m sorry you won’t fly AA, but for those who will, all are welcome. I’ll show the world my beloved home, buy them a local brew, fly damn near anywhere for the sheer pleasure of the adventure.
All are welcome, any time. PM or post me. I’ll show you paradise, from the air *or* ground
Rob in AK
That which moves my soul will forever move my self.
Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.sky303 :
Thanks Rob, I may try to ZED on it…How could I resist talking to myself???
If you make it up, let me know I’ll gladly give you the grand tour!
Cheers
Rob in AK
That which moves my soul will forever move my self.
Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Jennings :
Had an email from Aleksey this week. The 737-800 is due in December.Mmm…December. Plenty of time to build out my Welsh kits for exhibits & such before the BPK plastic arrives. Looking forward to this with great anticipation…Have four projects already lined up, one -700, three -800s in the pipeline.
Somewhere I’ll fit in my Antonovs while I wait
Rob in AK
That which moves my soul will forever move my self.
Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.the PRIDEbird :
For 144 scale lovers: A C295M resin kit from JBR Decals is on the market.
For converting into a CN235 if at all possible….quite a bitHi Sven-
Thanks for this, I’ll check it out. I usually only build 1:144 for ‘classic’ kits or crazy huge a/c, prefer 1:72 for details & to make life easier for my large hands (being of Bavarian descent I was meant to swing hammers & work the fields, not tweezers & pinpoints
) not to mention the supposedly natural aging of the eyes…Still, this sounds intriguing & I love working resin so will definitely take a look.
Many thanks!
Rob in AK
That which moves my soul will forever move my self.
Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Dart Herald :
Rob,That’s correct–I mean the CN235. I believe that to make one from a C295M will require some fuselage cutting at least and probably other mods.
Alex
Binter Canarias, here I come…Kit mods & all!
Rob in AK
That which moves my soul will forever move my self.
Posts: 442Location: Someplace north...Call it PAAQ to start.Occupation: Work wood, 38 years keeping phones working and flying all over with my best friend in the ordo aurorae septentrionalis, Order of the Northern Dawn.Well…There went my paycheck!
The house payment might fail next if a 990 is in the pipeline…Rob in AK
That which moves my soul will forever move my self.
