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I’m glad the thread could be of some help. I have found that good painting result is always the product of good preparation. I primed all the models with Tamiya gray primer, then a light sanding. The pictures you see were all taken in bright natural sunlight, too. Decanting can be of some help, but I don’t think it will change the shade…base coats, priming, or sanding can do that. I also used the Tamiya polishing compound to remove small imperfections and bring the shine out.
Paul
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Hi;
Here’s the link that shows the pair of B727s I finished in 2021. There’s a description of the paint I used included there. Hope this helps some.
https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235092619-pair-of-1144-scale-northwest-727s/
And the 747….
Paul
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Hi Luiz!
ALL kits are still available, at the terms listed in the original post. If you’d like a personal quote for just the kits you have in mind, send me a private message along with where you would like them sent, and I’ll be happy to give you a price.
Thanks for asking!
Paul
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On the old site, I could easily find the photos and threads which I posted by clicking “my photos.” So what’s the new solution? I cannot find any of my old stuff, except in a couple of “topics I started.”
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Wow…looking great, Jennings! I’ll take one of the AA set.
Paul
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Unbelievable way to do business on Zvezda’s part.
So I am going to join and agree with the many throngs of Zvezda 757 buyers that the kit is truly one of the best ones we’ve seen in a long time, if ever. And I’ll also encourage all of us to say thank you, Jennings…you truly are an artist of rare caliber. It is such a pleasure to say thank you to you, but it’s also a great pleasure to say GOOD JOB!! WELL DONE! The amount of work you “gave” to Zvezda in the development of this kit is definitely NOT going unnoticed by those of us that collect and model these fine kits. I am so happy to have two of these kits, and will soon build them with great pride and “fun,” knowing that YOU had a hand in my build. Thank you, Jennings, for all you do for this treasured hobby, and thank you for ALL you have done and contributed over the years.
Paul
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Wow! Beautiful, Sergey! I’m headed to the computer to order mine RIGHT NOW!!!! Looks like there will be an MD-11 in my near future!
Paul
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Hi Philippe….
Nick Pettit has a set for sale. You can reach him through PM or FaceBook.
Paul
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druz144 :
Hello friends,I’m finishing this project in resin,
and I’m curious to know in what liveries you will assemble your MD-11s with PW engines
Sergei
Hi Sergei! Can’t wait until you’re finished! I’m planning to use mine for a Micro Mir kit finished in the older “chocolate stripe” Swissair livery. Custom decals were made for me by F-DCAL. So ready to use them, but I’m waiting for you to finish the P&W engines.
Paul
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Hi Jon…
I wrote that the EE MD-80 was a bit more detailed than the MC kit; you may have read that comment in one of my posts about the kit. I finished the kit in March of 2020, posted some pics here in the cafe, but also posted a narrative about the specific airplane I built in Britmodeller. I do indeed stand behind the statement that the EE kit is a bit more detailed, and in face, a bit more “correct” than the MC kit. Both kits are very good and most assuredly acceptable, but I chose the EE kit because of better molding. Specifically, I like the static dischargers molded on nose, the landing bear is better detailed, and the engines are a bit more accurate in size. There were (are) several issues with the EE kit that make it a bit challenging, like wing assembly and fuselage joining, nose gear attachment at the very beginning of construction…but it was worth the extra and careful effort in the end. To each his own, I suppose. I used the lit supplied screw driver tail, the FOD guards on the main gear, and utilized the Platz PE parts for the MD-87 for the nose gear guard, nose strakes, and engine side strakes. Metallic Details makes a decent PE sprue as well. Take a look at the post below…you can see the close ups and details.
Paul
https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235069999-1144-scale-american-airlines-md-80/
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Based on price and availability, the Hasegawa 200 kits are starting to look good and I could get one of those + the decal set for way less than the price of a 144 kit alone. Also, one of the Hasegawas comes with NW decals, although not the bowling shoe livery, which hopefully means they have PW engines?
If so, that would cut the overall cost substantially even if I have to compromise on the scale.
I’ve just seen photos on the Cafe of a couple of nice Hasegawa builds.
Yes, you could save some money in downsizing to 1/200 scale. it’s personal preference, I suppose. Not sure as to whether the Hasagawa kits come with the P&W engines. I would think that the Hasagawa kits would be pretty accurate in the correct type of engines supplied; they are pretty good about that assurance.
Here in the Cafe, look for any Hasagawa kits finished by Billy Wilt. He specializes in that particular line, and does a fantastic job building them up very nicely. For detail, look at Brad Shinn’s work on the 1/200 scale 747s…there are a few…and they are examples of an engineer/artist at work.
Paul
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I apologize.. I was NOT clear when answering about building the kit OOB…the actual Revell kit I used for the 747 build did NOT come with the P&W engines; I ordered the resin engines from Braz. The kit was the old British Airways Landor livery which included ONLY the RR engines, which would have been incorrect for the Northwest completion. To my knowledge, none of the Revell kits come with P&W engines, except the new release of the -100. All of the -400 kits include only one set of either the GE or RR engines.
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I’ll have to give this approach a whirl, in the past I’ve used foam brushes with mixed results, and airbrushing is hit or miss on a good day.
The NW Bowling Shoe 747 looks pretty cool, well done on that build.
Yeah, the bristled brush dedicated ONLY to Future application is the way to go…and applied sparingly and carefully so as not to “pool.”
And thank you for the kind words! Enjoyed this build quite a bit!
Paul
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tomcat72 :
Paul, did you build your Revell 747 OOTB and are those P&W engines?For the most part, yes, the 747 was OOB, with a few additions and mods. I used the Braz P&W resin engines, Draw, Flight Designs, & Aerocolours decals, and Extra Tech photo etched details.
Paul
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Love this! Here’s a Revell 747-400 that I built up a few years ago…before I discovered the Authentic Airliners realistic windows. Love the old “bowling shoe” livery on the 747s…lots of color!
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Thank you, Tomcat! Appreciate the kind words. Future has to be THE easiest clear coat available. Yes, I used a wider brush to hand “paint” it on the models. Actually, I have a dedicated brush set aside just for Future use. Cleaning is a breeze…no thinning with anything, just clean it with hot water, allow to dry, then “fluff” the bristles a little. I have airbrushed the Future onto a model or two…works beautifully. Thinning a little makes it less tacky in the airbrush. It is also easy to clean the airbrush with hot water. Brushing leaves no waste…and beware…be careful…use sparingly, and watch carefully for pooling.
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RB211-524 :
Waow, the finish on both is absolutely superb :GG and those Authentic Airliners realistic windows really add the touch.I have a soft spot the the shorty 727 and those really nice Microscale decal sheets, many great memories.
Did you have any build issues with the Minicraft 727 ? Is it more MC 757 or MC DC-4 in terms of fit and moulding quality ?
Again, well done on these 2 beauties !
Thank you for the kind words! And yes, I would agree that the AA windows add such a wonderful realism. Like you, I too have a soft spot for the 727…and the Microscale decals are (were) most excellent with lots of choices.
Issues with the Minicraft 727…in a word, yes. It has good fitting parts, but the main issues for me were in the engine inlets (too small; required extensive sanding to open them up), and the main landing gear…they were just plain wrong. I had to elongate the main gear wells, and modify the Airfix gear to use them on the MC project. The kit gear are too tall, and don’t have the angles that the original Boeing gear had. Molding quality was pretty good…good plastic…but way too thick in the wings. In the end, it’s a pretty good kit, and it does resemble a 727…I was happy with the end result.
Paul
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radioguy :
I was privileged to enjoy the build process. Impeccable work as always, Paul.
Now, to convert you to a multi-project at a time guy.
Thank you, Al. Always good to have you nearby while I’m at the workbench.
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Oooooooo Sergey!!! Please…pretty please…will you get to work on those PW 4000s for the MD-11?!?!?!?? I’ve just finished a couple of projects soon to post, and was thinking of commencing to build an Eastern Express MD-11 that requires PW engines…I am most willing to wait for yours…think you’ll have them by July????
Cheers….
Paul
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I used the Boeing gray on a couple of 727s I just finished. It’s wonderful. Made for airbrushing, is thinned beautifully and levels perfectly. Dries relatively quickly and easy clean up. Given time to cure, it become rock hard and very durable. It does dry flat, so expect to sand it down to achieve a glossy finish, or you can clear coat it. I did light sanding, then used the trusty Future brushed on, and it finished beautifully. Large fan. Recommend highly! Buy several bottles…it may get hard to find once it’s really discovered. I miss the old Voodoo gray…it was great. In the meantime, before I discovered the MRP products, I had a swatch of Boeing gray matched at the local big box home store…household enamel…thinned it for the airbrush, and it worked very well. But the MRP…it’s da bomb!
Paul
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Paul, great work! And I agree, those are exactly what I am looking for! Too many trips to the Long Beach production line as a kid in the early 90s…
PS Paul, I’m curious about the cheat line on the #2 as you have it. Was not familiar with that scheme; I only knew of the ‘DELTA’ on a very early GE-powered bird before the standard ‘MD-11’/PW combo. It really is a sharp-looking model!
Thanks, Josh! I appreciate your kind comments. The cheat line on the #2 caught my eye and made the decision while doing research as to which aircraft I wanted to model. As far as I could tell, N801DE is the only MD-11 at Delta to have that cheat line while she wore the widget livery. Truthfully-IMHO-for what it’s worth…I think that cheat line on the #2 was far more eye catching and complimentary than the “DELTA” or the “MD-11” written across it like a bill board. Just sayin….:pp
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Hi Tom!
Welcome to the Cafe! And we’re all glad you’re coming back to airliner modeling. Looking forward to seeing your work soon.
I have to echo and agree with Ingmar…don’t set the bar too high for yourself. That can lead quickly to disappointment, and possible loop practice as you toss your work towards the bin. Enjoy your process, discover, learn, and learn some more. Then please share…we ALL learn from everyone else. I have a friend in the north that says “school never stops!” And he is so right…learned much from him, because I’m always “in school” while at the workbench.
As for white paint…I’ve landed on Tamiya TS-26, and have yet to find anything better. Sprays on easy, but is dependent on a well prepared, primed and sanded surface before applying. Spray in short thin costs until you have your desired finish. Allow a curing time of at least a few days…generally I allow for 7 days. And it has yet to yellow or fade.
I would also highly recommend that you choose a particular aircraft to model, then research THAT particular aircraft. Using this method, I have found that my research is limited, and doesn’t cause confusion, second guessing, and just plain frustration.
Here’s my breakdown of percentages of airliner building….
10% research, 10% prep work, 20% paint work, and 1000% patience.
Have fun!
Cheers,
Paul
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Hi Josh;
I built an Authentic Airliners MD-11 and finished her with the life like windscreen decals from Authentic Airliners, as seen here :
https://www.airlinercafe.com/photo_25076.details
Here’s a link to the build process, which includes some details about the decals (you’ll also find a link to the completed model post with lots of pictures from different angles that show the windows/windscreen up close).
Highly recommend the AA decals….very easy to work with, detailed, and above all…correct.
Look forward to seeing YOUR build!
Cheers,
Paul
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Found this little gem in my stash…..Its complete…I’ve had this one for more than 20 years.
Is this the 747 kit you were referring to?
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Now what we need is Mike at Vintage Flyer to make us some American Airlines decals for this challenge.
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I ordered 2 sets of RB211s for the Tristar back in early May…they arrived today. These are truly amazing. Thank you, Sergey!
Paul
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PS: Please understand that I am NOT trying to upstage anyone else’s experiences. I certainly am not! This was an experience of the “I am extremely fortunate” type, and years later I was driven to succeed by it just as many others have been by their special memories.
Hi Jeff;
Yours is one of the most touching stories to me. I remember those smells as a youngster at the airport; of exhaust clouds on startup, the “woosh” when the big props turned away from me and I got bathed in their prop wash, and most certainly the smells of the cabins of those glorious old prop liners. I remember my first ride on a jet, a Delta Air Lines DC-9 from Birmingham, Alabama to Dallas Love. I was immensely nervous, and downright scared. How was this thing gonna “go” with no visible means of propulsion…no PROPS!!
I, too, began wearing glasses in the eighth grade, and was discouraged from pursuing aviation. So I detoured and changed careers into aviation at 30. Being 60 now, I have been beyond happy and blessed for the last 30 years teaching others to fly, enjoying s short airline stint, and for the past 19 years as a corporate pilot enjoying the Challenger 350. All while wearing my glasses!
Thank you for sharing your story…just read it through…and it reminded me so much of my own experiences in the 60s and 70s growing up. Days gone by, wishing they could return…inspiring young enthusiasts is more difficult these days, but most assuredly not impossible.
Paul
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Note the radial “stripes” on the intake lip. Never noticed it before, and I’ve never seen it on a model!
This is a very valued detail, Jennings! Thank you for sharing. Be patient…you WILL see those radial stripes…soon and very soon.
Paul
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The only thing I would recommend when building this model is to attach the separate rear fuselage halves to their respective forward sections, making two full fuselage halves before joining. This makes the join between forward/rear sections a lot better than assembling forward and rear halves, and then joining. Some builders have had problems attaching the lower fuselage fairing (centre section with the fuselage main gear) but mine fitted just fine.
Thanks for the advice, Tom. I’ll remember that when its time to begin building. On another note…have you seen this:?
https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235071740-md11f-fedex-finally/
My friend Sini completed an amazing WIP and finished model of the MD-11, with great advice resulting from his experience.
Enjoy!
Paul
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Hi Tom;
A beautiful build of a beautiful bird! And the livery is really amazing! Love the green. I’m really glad to see a new Micro Mir/EE MD-11, as I am awaiting one myself to begin later this year. Would be great to have seen a WIP of your process on this one. Congrats on a great job! Very, very nice! Thanks for sharing.
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Hi Rick;
I would agree with Chris…allow it to dry, then I polish with a clean dry cotton cloth. I have used SNJ powder as a polisher on top of the AK, and it seems to do well.
Paul
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Have not used the AK black base coat, but I have used both the Alclad black base coat for Alclad metallics applications, and I have recently tried the Tamiya TS-14 gloss black as a base coat…simply because it was less expensive than the Alclad. I did use the AK Xtreme metal paint on top of the Tamiya. While the application was easy and less expensive, I found the Tamiya did not level quite as nicely as the Alclad black did. Tamiya is from a rattle spray can, applied much the same way as any other rattle can…light coats until achieving the desired finish. This causes the base to be thick and requires significant drying time. The Alclad black base comes airbrush ready, thereby making for a much more controlled and even application, beautiful leveling, very high gloss, and very quick drying time…and quite friendly to masking. While the experiment with the Tamiya was good and achieved a nice result, I will use the Alclad black base going forward for a better metallic finish for my taste. As for metallic finishes, I have used both the xTreme and Alclad products; I like both very much and both are very easy to apply leaving a fantastic finish. I suppose which one you choose would be a matter of taste or preference. Remember too, that metallic finishes are only as good as the prepared surface and base.
Paul
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Hi Ken…the two large parts in the middle are indeed for the airstairs on the 727. As for the two smaller ones, I have no clue…and I have an AA 727 in my stash. I would suggest you contact Kurt at AA and he’ll answer for you! Got the AA website, and use the “contact us” menu to send an email…Kurt is really good about answering email questions…might take a few days…he can be a busy guy!
Paul
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What a great story! Thank you sooo much for sharing this. Not sure if I can see through the tears this brings up, or type through the goose bumps…but I’ll try.
When I was 16 years old (in 1976), washing airplanes in exchange for flight instruction at Danelly Field in Montgomery, Alabama, I had taken a break and went down to the apron to watch the airliners come and go. There were two 727-200s on the ramp, which was highly unusual any given day for MGM. Soon a tall and trim man in civilian clothes walked down the rear air stairs of one of the 727s, and right over to me. He introduced himself to me, and began to ask questions about the small Pipers all around the ramp where I worked. As we walked around looking at airplanes, he asked me about me; what I wanted to do in life, where I went to school, plans for the future. I expressed to him that I wanted to be an airline pilot someday. With that, he took me back to the 727 he had come off of, and allowed me to walk around it, through it, sit in the captain’s seat, and have him as a personal guide. Turns out one of the 727s was on a regular passenger run to/from Atlanta and had developed a grounding problem. My new friend was a reserve 727 captain at the time who had been called to deliver a good airplane to MGM for the stranded passengers and ferry the bad one back to ATL empty, except for the crew and mechanics. Soon I left the airplane, shook his hand, said good bye, and went back to scrubbing. A few days letter I wrote a letter to him, addressed to the Delta Air Lines Jet Base in Atlanta, where he was from. A few weeks later I received a letter back from him, inviting me to come to ATL for a visit…which I did. He took me through the bowels of the ATL airport, toured me through Greenbrier Center where the pilots trained, put me in the simulators to experience “big iron” flying, and let me fly a DC-8 “through the D.” Our friendship became very close, and I was accepted into his beautiful family as a son among his daughters. We maintained a close relationship and talked often for many years, until he retired from Delta as program manager of and line pilot in the L-1011 and moved with his family to a 58,000 acre ranch in Wyoming, where I visited him and worked on the ranch until he passed away in 2008. Gene Vieh was instrumental in who I became…he believed in me, encouraged me, and became a second dad to me over the years. I’m 60 now, and miss him no less now than when I had to say good bye and return to Alabama from Wyoming. I did fly for American for a short time in the late 90s, but had to leave because I was raising a daughter of my own, and being away from home so much wasn’t healthy for my family. I’ve been flying corporately now for more than 20 years, enjoying grand kids and model building…but I still watch airliners with a fascination and memory of a friend who flew them and took time to encourage a 16 year old with little direction. A chance encounter? Maybe. But probably not.
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Hi Zbynek…LOVE the little 737! Fine job of modeling. Really like and miss the old Piedmont livery! Especially impressed that this one is 1/200..WOW! She’s tiny! Hope you don’t go too crazy with weathering…less is more, to make her look realistic. Looking forward to seeing her finished.
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Nice Boeing, Jodie! Love the old Continental livery.
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Saw this one on Britmodeler…WOW. This is beautiful, beautiful work indeed. Really love the diorama and the figures…especially the bicycles; what a nice touch. Thank you for sharing.
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Finished this one a couple weeks ago as the Eastern Express 1/144 scale MD-80 in the earlier American Airlines livery, ship #567. N567AM was the last MD-80 delivered brand new to American in 1992 from the factory in Long Beach, California, serving well for 24 years before being retired in 2016. She was stored in ROW before being returned to service in 2017 as a cargo carrier still active and operating south of the border.
This model was a first for me in a few areas; my first attempt at an Eastern Express model, use of acrylic paints (I usually use enamels), and first use of Xtreme metal (I usually use Alclad) for the finish. Quite a few challenges for sure, but the model came together well in spite of the issues that the EE kit presents. Painting and finishing challenges were new to me, as I am sure they are old to many, but didn’t prove impossible…just different from what I have done in the past. Good learning experiences and I would most definitely build this kit again.
To mix the AA gray I used Tamiya X-1 and X-2 until it “looked about right,” using photos of the actual airplane in sunlight from different angles. Tamiya gray surface primer, Tamiya TS-14 gloss black as a base coat for the metal finish. Xtreme metal airbrushed along with light polishing to achieve the natural metal finish. Flying Colors details; Draw Decals details, cheat lines, and livery markings; Authentic Airliners life like windows; Platz PE parts for the landing gear, antennae, and pitot tubes.
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druz144 :
No problem , I can release them in timeBTW for which kit do you need them?
This is good news! For the Eastern Express L-1011, and/or the Otaki kit.
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Have you seen these…..
Res Kit makes a 777 wheel set that looks pretty nice. I haven’t seen them in reality and have no personal experience with them, but the pictures online look quite good. I am definitely planning to order……
https://reskit.com.ua/index.php?route=product/search&search=777
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These look amazing!! WOW! Wondering if they can be modified, or do you have plans for a set, for the the L-1011??
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Hi John….I would agree with AAMD11; the B707s that flew at American had Boeing gray gear struts and hubs, until they became covered in brake dust, dirt, and stains…then they just looked dark and dingy, almost black in some cases. I’ve found some good photos of the old AA 707s with good angles showing the gear, though not up close, on Pinterest. Clearly the gear are gray, and so are the wheels. You might take a look at Jon Proctor’s website, jonproctor.net…go to the right drop down “Photography,” then choose “LAX Through the Years,” and scroll down. There are a lot of great vintage photos, including American Astrojets, a few capturing the landing gear clearly enough to make a judgement for color. I have not perused Airliners.net specifically for the AA 707, but I’ll bet there are good references there, too. Looking forward to seeing your model. Can’t speak highly enough of the Vintage Flyer decals…accurate in every way.
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To keep comparisons and recommendations within the apples to apples context, the Authentic Airliners kits are in a category all their own…kind of like “boutique” kits that really don’t compare exactly to plastic kits like the Eastern Express, Revell, Zvezda, or any other put-together. The AA kits are superior in detailing and accuracy, to be sure; but they are solid resin, presenting their own set of challenges and rewards that are not found when assembling a plastic kit. They are amazing kits, and a joy to build, and worth every penny…but I would not put them alongside a plastic kit for comparison. I finished an AA MD-11 earlier this year, and it was fun and rewarding…but it was a far cry from assembling a plastic kit.
I have NO experience with the Eastern Express kits…yet. But I am highly motivated by the kits themselves, the in process and finished builds I have seen and followed, the after market parts readily available for the kits (particularly the MD-11 and DC-10), and of course, the decals that allow for building a fleet of them in different liveries. As I write this, there is an EE MD-80 on my workbench soon to be started. It looks amazing..detail is quite good, dry fit seems to be good, and the plastic is pretty sturdy…except for the landing gear struts, which seem a bit spindly; an issue easily remedied with metal ones. The EE kits seem to be ripe for mods, PE additions, and various states of display, on the ground or in flight, with flaps and slats deployed or stowed. So with this in mind, I would recommend the EE kits to you…with the exception of the 757, which seems to have been unanimously “bashed.”
Here are a couple of works-in-progress of the EE MD-11, both of which are current, seem to be going well, and present the difficult challenges with the constructive ones…sure to be fine finished models:
https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235062225-md11f-fedex-1144-ee/
https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235053946-klm-md-11/
And here is my AA MD-11…for “comparison.”
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I’m ordering the AK metallics from Scale Hobbyist…prices seem to be a bit lower and shipping is reasonable too.
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These are beautiful! Great work! I saw a set sell on eBay…may we obtain a set there, or should I send a PM for instructions?
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Absolutely beautiful. Are these available for the rest of us modelers to purchase commercially?
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Throughout the show, I saw the FineScale Modeler team lay down cards next to a few airliners. One of my friends in the local club got one of his airliners photographed. As soon as you take the model to their photo booth, they take the card so could theoretically be on the table for minutes before it is gone.
Thanks, Mike…good to know. And thanks to all who are assuaging my disappointment that was seemingly unfounded. I’ll know better in the future and try not to jump to snap judgement. :dontgetit
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I think that would be three
Thanks, MrMD11….Sorry about that…I added that third one later, without proof reading. Corrected.
BTW, the SAS Caravelle did get an FSM photo request, so at least one:-)
Thanks for that info, Dan. I stand corrected! Really good to see. Must have happened after I was there.
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