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Posts: 58Location: Salt Lake CityOccupation: Retired. Twice: Civilian HR manager and US Army officerI saw on Britmodeller it was just announced. Test shots on their FB site.
Robert V. Leonard
Wow……an update/competitor for the ancient Revell 707. Looking forward to it.
Ken
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Obi-wan: Revell is our last hope.
Yoda: No, there is another.
So many kits, so little time …
Posts: 58Location: Salt Lake CityOccupation: Retired. Twice: Civilian HR manager and US Army officerThese quips just write themselves.
Robert V. Leonard
Well, many airliner builders are cynical, not to mention sarcastic people…
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And they are ready to order from their website, so should be avalable from the various shops.
Happy modelling
Ruben
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I am more than delighted to have these new kits, but, upon looking over the sprues and instructions, I gathered that the noise suppressors were going to be a challenge.
I decided to try to assemble one of the ones marked “Do not use” just to test the waters. After 30 minutes of trying to get the first of 10 pipes in place, it flew out of the tweezers and lost it’s life to the carpet monster.
I’m setting that aside for now. If anyone else comes up with a good way to do this, please pass the information on to the rest of us.
Gene
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I got my 2 kits this morning and what nice kits these are.
As much as I love X-Scale kits, I discovered a surprising design choice. The wing/fuselage joint is not made of the traditional integral lower surface, nor a tab and slot design and not even a butt joint (à la Welsh 747 or MD-11).
Here, the wing/fuselage joint is completely opened out. The glueing surface consists of an approximately 1mm wide surface running the whole wing airfoil section and it slots into (not against) the fuselage with no backing plate or so to speak. Tomorrow I’ll glue plastic strips inside the fuselage to act as a support against which the wing can be glued. Photos are worth thousands words so I’ll try post a few.
A butt joint à la Welsh type is never the perfect solution but you can either use a powerful melting type glue (Tamiya extra thin cement) which usually allows for strong joints or you can drill and install a home made spar.
A very strange design choice from X-Scale but the rest of the kit is stellar (except the ugly wheel rim detailing on the outer face, the brake assembly on the inner face being a nice touch). Very nice decal sheet as well.
Cheers,
StefanHere are some images I found on the web. Not sure if it’s from their website or another website.
Thanks,
ahmed
KSFO
When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace becomes a circus.Ahmed,
Are you saying that X-Scale has the builder assemble the wings & fuselage, then place a thin bead of glue along the 1mm inner edge of the wing top & bottom (see red lines below) and sandwich then between the assembled fuselage top and the center fuselage bottom piece?
Hmm, looks dicey to me.
Kind regards,
DutchHi Dutch, it appears your thoughts are correct, however, not having done any type of sub assembly or test fit, we’ll have to see how the parts actually fit. For myself, I think fabricating some type of spar that would pass through the fuselage and support both wings will be needed.
My attempt to assemble one of the noise suppressors turned out badly, and I will wait a while before I try that again.
Gene
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Dutch,
Yes it’s true for the wing top surface, the mating surface with the fuselage wing opening is an approximately 1mm wide strip running the whole wing top surface.
Regarding the wing lower surface, I’ll have to correct my initial statement : the wings lower part mating surface will actually lean against the fuselage belly separate part. But that still won’t provide a strong joint without some blanking or plastic card reinforcement.
My plan is to glue the wing lower parts to the belly part using a Lego jig. When it’s all dry, reinforce with plastic strips and epoxy glue. Ends up looking like AMT/ERTL’s C-135 integral lower wing part.
Cheers,
StefanActually, this design reminds me of what EE/MikroMir did on their nice MD-11 kit : 2 separate wing lower parts, a belly part BUUUT a stout center wingbox spar. Worked perfectly.
I’m guessing X-Scale here simply forgot to plan something, the assembly is so weak it can’t be deliberate.
Still a fantastic kit, I’m not knowledgeable in the 707 department but I’ll check if the alternate engine parts included in this release can be combined to the tall tail (not included in this release but easy to scratchbuild).
Sheeh, and now X-Scale has an A300, an ATR-42 and a 737-200 planned, what a great brand!!!
Cheers,
StefanI see an opportunity for the 3D-printed market: one-piece organ pipe assemblies for the engines, and a spar for inside the wing. That’s in addition to the usual wheel assemblies, etc.
Jodie Peeler
"In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake." - Sayre's Law
I glued the wings together last night to check out what you guys were describing above; I see how it’s supposed to work, but I don’t think it will work well without a spar or backing plate. It did immediately dispell any hopes I had of being able to do the wings as sub-assemblies and add them at the end. One thing to watch; SAND the mating surfaces at the trailing edge of the wing. I did this, but later discovered not enough, so now I have a step at that joint.
I agree with Jodie that a few aftermarket items might make the build much easier.
Gene
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What Jodie said above about the one piece organ pipes triggered a memory, so I just checked. The DC-8-32 (I have the Swissair version) came with a set of 3D printed organ pipes to use instead of the multi piece ones molded on the sprues.
Gene
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My 3 were waiting for me when i got home. To say that X-Scale packs their kits carefully is an understatement.
The parts are beautifully molded. I too am puzzled by the lack of an obvious wing carry through spar. Not sure how i will tackle this.
The tyres, as others have pointed out are kind of minimalist. It’s as if they know someone is gonna offer better, 3D printed aftermarket wheels and they thought their energies were better spent elsewhere.
The configuration of the pylons with the turbocompressor humps sure seem to suggest they’re thinking about a 720.
Overall, i’m very happy, though i have a couple airliner projects in the queue ahead of this one.
Western Airlines, anybody??
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Dutch,
Yes it’s true for the wing top surface, the mating surface with the fuselage wing opening is an approximately 1mm wide strip running the whole wing top surface.
Regarding the wing lower surface, I’ll have to correct my initial statement : the wings lower part mating surface will actually lean against the fuselage belly separate part. But that still won’t provide a strong joint without some blanking or plastic card reinforcement.
My plan is to glue the wing lower parts to the belly part using a Lego jig. When it’s all dry, reinforce with plastic strips and epoxy glue. Ends up looking like AMT/ERTL’s C-135 integral lower wing part.
Stefan,
Sorry, I meant you, but confused you with Ahmed’s post. Yes, I agree, this is the way to go. And I agree with Jodie, (Hi Jodie!), a great opportunity for an AM 3D printer to create a wing spar and possibly new wheels.
One great regret I have is that all of my old Airliner Modeling SIG quarterly magazines by Mark Cable were destroyed in the flood along with their exquisite 3 view drawings.
Kind regards,
Dutch
Posts: 58Location: Salt Lake CityOccupation: Retired. Twice: Civilian HR manager and US Army officerI’m not ignorant of the differences between the -120 and the -320, but if you would have asked me how much longer the -320 was than the -120 I would have guessed 20 feet. Not the mere 8 feet it really is.
Robert V. Leonard
What Jodie said above about the one piece organ pipes triggered a memory, so I just checked. The DC-8-32 (I have the Swissair version) came with a set of 3D printed organ pipes to use instead of the multi piece ones molded on the sprues.
Gene
Yep!!
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Going through the 707 kit as I begin assembly, it is clear the way the molds are designed that future releases will have a taller fin and longer span stabs, and that different engine options will also follow. My guess like Revell a later release will have the fanjets and perhaps even the JT-4 engines for use with a Braniff release which can be used for an early 707-320. I am not a fan of the early short fin 707’s but I do understand why this kit was released that way. Thus far the kit builds beautifully, the best yet from X Scale.
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Posts: 58Location: Salt Lake CityOccupation: Retired. Twice: Civilian HR manager and US Army officerLooking forward to getting mine.
Robert V. Leonard
I’m buried in VC10s, 727s and DC-8s so i’ve only managed to cut some parts from the sprues and do some exploratory test-fitting.
If *i* were X-Scale, i’d consider offering a “Limited Edition” 707-220 series with markings for Braniff and BWIA. Just thinking out loud.
As Wayne Fowler mentioned, a JT-4A powered early Intercontinental is probably in the cards and it would be a way to expand out the product line a bit using existing parts.
The -227 series was definitely a niche aircraft but they certainly got around much like the 707-138Bs.
Anyhoo, back to my Diesel 8….
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I’m wondering if any of the resin guys would consider doing a mod for the later taller tail and lower ventral fin? Perhaps X-Scale has these in the works? I’m working on decals for the Western 707-139 and Continental second scheme and those parts are required for accuracy. Of course, one could always scratch build those bits as well.
Mike
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Am I mistaken, or in order to have a turbo fanned B version, you’ll need a gloved wing leading edge?
Reckon they plan on re-tooling that?
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Am I mistaken, or in order to have a turbo fanned B version, you’ll need a gloved wing leading edge?
Reckon they plan on re-tooling that?
Yes, you do need the leading edge glove (and a couple other modifications) for a -120B. I imagine X-Scale is thinking about that too. I can’t say for certain, but I can see where that may have had some effect on why the wing/fuselage joint is tooled the way it is. I can’t see inside their minds, though.
Jodie Peeler
"In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake." - Sayre's Law
Did *all* -120Bs get the glove modification, or was that an American Airlines thing?
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The wing glove was part of the -120B modification for everyone, along with the extended stabilizers and additional leading edge flaps, the smaller ventral fin and other odds and ends. The modification included most all the lessons learned during the development of the 720/720B.
Jodie Peeler
"In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake." - Sayre's Law
Thanks Jodie!
I was hoping this wasn’t the case, but it is what it is.
Heck, at the rate i build stuff i can afford to wait til a -120B variant comes out. I’m still buried in DC-8s and VC10s and 727s…
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I cannot remember anytime in the past where we who build airline models have had such a flush of new airliner kits coming onto the market. Past 12 months we got an Electra, a 727-200, A330-200 and now a 707-120. In the next year we are looking forward to a new 737-200, 727-100, ATR plus likely new variants of the 707. All of these kits are good kits and constant scale.
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I cannot remember anytime in the past where we who build airline models have had such a flush of new airliner kits coming onto the market. Past 12 months we got an Electra, a 727-200, A330-200 and now a 707-120. In the next year we are looking forward to a new 737-200, 727-100, ATR plus likely new variants of the 707. All of these kits are good kits and constant scale.
…and *i* am definitely not complaining!!
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I haven’t done any gluing yet (because….. gestures at all my postings…), but i have been test fitting the fit of the upper and lower wing planks as well as the vertical fin.
True to form, you will need to take a 150-grit sanding block to the inside of the lower wing plank trailing edges and sand them down, so they sit level with the adjacent upper wing planks.
I will still gladly take this over the diabolical way Revell did their 707-120 wings.
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