May 15, 2022 at 10:26 pm #180646
Looking for some images recently, I came across a few images of the possible DC-10 Twin that never came to fruition. I couldn’t help it wonder if things would’ve turned out completely different had Douglas opted for two engines instead of three for the DC-10, or even released a twin version after Airbus had firmed up the design and configuration of the A300 in the early 70’s.
I know things really changed after Douglas merged with McDonnell right around the time of the DC-10 entry into service, I’m not sure of the exact year, and they never really invested in any new projects. Everything that came out after the DC-10 was a derivative, from the MD-80 to the MD-11.
What do you guys think? Would Douglas be around today if the DC-10 Twin was actually released and sold like hotcakes?
KSFOMay 16, 2022 at 1:38 am #180648xradar98Posts: 29
Ahmed, McDonnell Douglas is alive and struggling today! They took the name of Boeing. McDonnell successfully wrecked two of the best civil aircraft builders in the USA.
I’m too lazy to find it right now, but Brad built a great what if of the DC-10 Twin, it should be in the database. Would be a good add to the thread.
I don’t always say “Proceed as requested”
But when I do, it is because I have no clue what you just said.May 16, 2022 at 5:45 pm #180671LH707Posts: 1,508
I think the DC-10 did ok as a trijet, partially because they went for GE and PW for the engines, which allowed them to have higher GW versions sooner than the Tristar did with the troublesome RR engines.
Not sure how a DC-10 twin would have done given that it was a shrink of a larger design versus a purpose-designed clean-sheet like the A300. A lot would have depended on how the two stacked up against one another, but my guess is that the A300 would have had better numbers on shorter routes.
A DC-10 twin might have discouraged Boeing from doing the 767 in that segment, who knows.
Edit your Profile to get a forum signature.May 16, 2022 at 6:00 pm #180673
You both have good points. McDonell Douglas is still alive as Boeing. They really haven’t done anything right since the merger, the 777 was the last great Boeing airplane. 🙂
I guess we can speculate as to what could’ve happened, but the playing field may have been drastically different today.
KSFOMay 19, 2022 at 1:59 am #180879NX28388Posts: 717
IIRC, there was serious interest from several non-US carriers, but without a US carrier wanting to commit, MDC tabled the Twin project. Which, of course, meant the A300 got a clear opening, and we all know the rest!
"In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake." - Sayre's LawMay 19, 2022 at 4:19 am #180915Ken MillerPosts: 1,235
Speaking of DC-10s, The Sporty Game by John Newhouse is an excellent book on the competition between Lockheed and McDonnell Douglas with the L1011 and DC-10. I learned much about backroom wheeling and dealing from the book.
Edit your Profile to get a forum signature.June 3, 2022 at 7:02 am #181769Berlin_UwePosts: 536
It would be interesting, if one could do a WhatIf DC-10 Twin model out of a regular DC-10 model.
Perhaps the aft section with the tailplane would be the most difficult part. What about the wings?
Which airline: United?
Hm. Interesting project.
Edit your Profile to get a forum signature.June 3, 2022 at 8:40 pm #181784
Sure would make for an interesting model. Just a little shorter than the DC-10, but pretty much everything else the same. For the tail, you can just extrapolate down to where it would meet the fuselage. Nonetheless, that might be the biggest challenge.
KSFOJune 3, 2022 at 8:48 pm #181786gebbwPosts: 719
Yeah, it would be a cool model to try and make. Anyone have ideas on what the dimensions could have been? I’m tempted to hack a Hasegawa kit… 🙂
AKL NZJune 3, 2022 at 10:34 pm #181799
Well, it would be a flight of fancy, so nobody can pick on the length of the fuselage. I would remove 2-3 windows ahead and aft of the wing. That should make it about right.
KSFOJune 4, 2022 at 8:24 pm #181813xradar98Posts: 29
Done by Brad.
I don’t always say “Proceed as requested”
But when I do, it is because I have no clue what you just said.June 5, 2022 at 6:28 am #181878Berlin_UwePosts: 536
Ok. So the challenge starts ….
If I would take Brads example, I can see beside the lengh of the fuselage he modified the wings and the tailplane, which is higher than the “rest” above the engine. Could be a 777 tailplane could help. But the wing….hm.
Found that, not sure if it is proufed…
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Edit your Profile to get a forum signature.June 5, 2022 at 5:36 pm #181881
Thanks Uwe! Very interesting. That wing looks very different, more L-1011ish than a DC-10 wing.
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