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      Post #78350, posted on 06-06-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi all,

      I'm trying to put together a list of the original operators of the Lockheed L-1011. By that I mean airlines that ordered directly from Lockheed, and not second-hand operators. All lists I have seen include every operator whether original, leased, second-hand, etc. etc. which is not what I want. Here's what I have so far:

      1. Eastern
      2. Delta
      3. TWA
      4. Pan Am
      5. PSA
      6. Hawaiian
      7. Air Canada
      8. BWIA
      9. Faucett Peru
      10. British Airways
      11. Courtline
      12. TAP Air Portugal
      13. LTU
      14. Gulf Air
      15. Saudia
      16. Alia Royal Jordanian
      17. Air Lanka
      18. Cathay Pacific
      19. ANA


      There must be more, 19 is a really small number. Who am I missing?

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      ahmed

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      Post #78351, posted on 06-06-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      I found these 2 sites:

      https://www.airfleets.net/listing/l10-1.htm

      https://flytristar.tripod.com/page/prodlist.html

      From cross-checking both lists:

      - Lockheed retained the 1st airframe
      - MSN 1211 & 1212 ordered by British Airways but actually first operated by British Airtours
      - Last (MSN 1250) airframe was ordered by Algerian Govt as 7T-VRA

      That covers all 250 that were made. (MSN 1001-1250)

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      Post #78353, posted on 06-06-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Both great resources. Cathay Pacific, Hawaiian, and Fawcett Peru acquired their frames second hand.

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      Post #78354, posted on 06-06-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks Bill. So, I guess it's worse than I thought. I thought Cathay was an original customer and then bought a few used ones from Eastern. Here's a photo of one inside the factory:


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      Post #78356, posted on 06-07-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Dear Ahmed,
      there were only 19 delivery customers for the L-1011.

      Two in your list are wrong: Faucett and Hawaiian, they bought second hand frames.
      Two are missing: British Airtours, Algerian Gvmt
      Of course Cathay was a delivery customer.

      Reading out the production list yields these operators in chronological sequence:

      01 Eastern
      02 TWA
      03 Air Canada
      04 Court
      05 LTU
      06 Delta
      07 ANA
      08 PSA
      09 British
      10 British Airtours
      11 Saudia
      12 Cathay
      13 Gulf Air
      14 Pan Am
      15 BWIA
      16 Alia Royal Jordanian
      17 Air Lanka
      18 TAP
      19 Algerian Gvmt


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      Post #78357, posted on 06-07-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Don't forget; there were airlines that ordered the TriStar (early on in the programme) but did not take delivery or were taken over/absorbed into other airlines. Did Lockheed use customer-codes?







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      Post #78358, posted on 06-07-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Terry,
      no customer codes were used for the TriStar,
      just -1, -100, -200, -500 for the versions
      and construction numbers ranged from 1001 to 1250

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      Post #78359, posted on 06-07-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks everyone!. We now have an accurate list. Wouldn't British Airways and British Airtours be lumped up as one customer?

      Re. Hawaiian, I could've sworn I saw a picture of one inside the factory, but I guess not. My mind is playing games on me.

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      Post #78360, posted on 06-07-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Regarding customer codes, TriStar serial numbers had a prefix consisting of the number "193" followed by a letter that designated the customer. For example, Eastern's TriStars had a 193A prefix, those built for Delta* had a 193C prefix, and so forth. The production list on the FlyTriStar site, linked upthread, will let you see this. For airframes that changed hands, the full serial with prefix will let you figure out who originally ordered the aircraft.

      * = that admonition is because Delta acquired several secondhand TriStars, including some Eastern airplanes and some of the Air Canada -500s.

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      Post #78361, posted on 06-07-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks for reminding about the customer codes Jodie!
      I completely lost track about it and the moment I read your comment it came back to my memory!
      Awesome!

      Ahmed, could you try to find that potential image of the Hawaiian TriStar during production?
      It may well be that some planes received paint that got never delivered that way.

      The ones Hawaiian obtained second hand were
      N762BE to N766BE and EI-BTN


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      Post #78362, posted on 06-08-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Yes, absolutely, if I find it, I will post it.

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