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      Post #78105, posted on 05-02-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      To add to my Pan Am 1:144 fleet, I recently purchased a 1975 Revell L-1049 Super Connie with the intention of using the VFD Pan Am decals to build a PA version. All good so far.

      Iíve now decided to build a TWA version also since the Connie was more synonymous with that airline so I need to buy a 2nd kit. Iím watching 2 kits on eBay - a Revell C-131C version and the other is a Minicraft L-1049G Super.

      The main question I have for Connie aficionados is whether the C-131C kit would accurately reflect the commercial L-1049 so that I could use the VFD decals or whether Iím safer buying the Minicraft kit, even though the reviews indicate that the Revell kit is far superior?

      I havenít started the first kit yet as Iím wait to see which of the 2 kits i end up with is best suited to the TWA and Pan Am versions.

      The helpful VFD decal sheet says Pan Am leased 2 Connie from Eastern and it looks like the didnít have the wing tanks that the TWA planes had, so that might also influence the choice.

      Thanks in advance,
      Tom.

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      Post #78106, posted on 05-02-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Tom,
      Hopefully others who are more knowledgeable will also chime in. What caught my eye in your post is that you are doing a 1/144 scale collection. A 1975 Revell Connie won't be 1/144 scale but is 1/128. Revell did a new tool 1/144 Connie in 2007. I built a Minicraft Connie and was happy with how it turned out. Soft on detail and I found the landing gear a little fiddly but it looks like a Constellation. When I was a kid I built the Monogram MATS Connie without paint. Scalemates says the Monogram kit was first released in 1957 and is 1/134 scale. The box scale Revell kit was first released in 1956 and is 1/128 scale.

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      Post #78107, posted on 05-02-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi Tom,
      I just want to mention that one of my future projects in 1/144 scale will be the Constellation family. If you can wait a year you will probably get a beautiful kit.

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      Post #78108, posted on 05-02-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      I believe Pan Am only had two L-1049s, and these had the non-turbocompound engines with Jetstack exhausts, which only used on the first 24 Super Connies built. These planes were leased from Eastern for a very short time, and had the bare metal crown, just as the VFD decals depict, and had non-radar noses. The 1/144 Revell kit are probably the better starting point, with fewer errors to correct. The windshield is a little wonky, and the center vertical stabilizer needs a little reshaping; nothing too bad considering the long list of problems with the Minicraft kit.

      I hope I haven't thoroughly destroyed your aspirations!

      -Dana

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      Post #78112, posted on 05-02-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Confused!
      I'm into prop planes cause I'm old. Were you asking about the Revell 1/128 Super Constellation, the Revell-MONOGRAM C-121 (USAF) 1/134 kit or the Revell-Monogram 1/144? I've done all three except the latest Revell-Monogram 1/144 one ( it's still in the box). If you'll have do any except the Minicraft one [ it has the worst rudder molding] you have to make a non radar nose for it to make it look as it did for most of the early 50's.
      The Revell 1/134 has the best molding if it were not for the scale.

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      Post #78114, posted on 05-02-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Dana, this one?



      Terry (Caravellarella)

      Because LíOR…AL keeps telling me Iím worth it..........

      Or maybe itís MAYBELLINE...............

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      Post #78116, posted on 05-02-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      All, great input as usual- thanks!

      Ken - Iím glad you pointed out my128 scale snafu as I completely missed this. The weird thing is that I immediately checked the box and the instructions and neither quotes the scale anywhere. The box however states the dimensions of the model which I thought was unusual at the time but assumed this was 144 in all my naÔvetť. I then checked Scalemates which confirmed this particular kit was 128. As Iím unlikely to find 128 scale decals I may just attempt to build it as-is and hope the curled up TWA decals are better than they look.

      Kurt - I may save my VFD Pan Am decals for your future kit, thanks for making me aware.

      Dana - additional details very helpful and aspirations still intact!

      Electraglider - as above, it was indeed the old Revell kit, although the C-121 Iím watching on eBay is obviously one of the newer 144 kits and I still have a hankering to buy it anyway as the price is good and from all accounts it would make a nice model (possibly even in my hands). Iíd like to check that it could be made into an L-1049 without modification however.

      Terry - thatís an interesting photo and must be very rare given that PA apparently just leased the 2 aircraft from Eastern. Thatís actually the one Iíd chosen to build - N6212C, Clipper Charger.

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      Post #78117, posted on 05-02-2021 GMT-5 hours    
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      Hi Tom,
      I just want to mention that one of my future projects in 1/144 scale will be the Constellation family. If you can wait a year you will probably get a beautiful kit.

      Kurt




      Awesome!

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      Post #78120, posted on 05-03-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi Tom,

      I have a number of Constellation decals in 1/128 scale to fit the old Revell kit. Plus, if you'd like, I can scale my PAA Connie sheet to 1/128th as a custom order.

      Mike
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      Post #78122, posted on 05-03-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi Mike,

      Thatís great news - it should have occurred to me to check if you had 128 decals.

      It should also have occurred to me to check the scale of the model as something seemed amiss when I opened the box and saw the length of this thing, which is way longer than my 144 Stratocruiser, but I was busy at the time and just stuck it on top of my expanding stash. 😀

      In view of your offer, Iíd like to order the 128 TWA decals if available and keep my PA fleet at 144. The TWA decals in the box might disintegrate since theyíre 45 years old! If you donít have the TWA decals available, Iíd be grateful for a custom order.

      Should I order them from Russell?

      At the same time, Iíll also order the PA decals for the 747-100 as I recently bought a Revell kit having seen very positive reviews.

      Thanks, Tom.

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      Post #78123, posted on 05-03-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      On a related subject and while itís fresh in my mind, I wondered if anyone has stayed at the former TWA terminal at JFK, now the TWA hotel?

      My wife and I plan to take a trip out west next year (depending on the prevailing situation) and thought weíd have a 2-night layover at the hotel and visit the Connie of course.

      They did an amazing job in restoring that iconic building and it was an inspired idea to make it into an aviation themed hotel.

      The very first time I got on a plane to leave my country (in May 1979) it was a TWA 747 which flew into JFK, although I donít think it was the Saarinen building for some reason.

      I just read the story of the journey the Connie took through NYC on its way to Queens, which was a really smart PR move and reminded me of a similar trip the space shuttle Endeavour took through the streets of LA on itís way to the science center.

      https://www.twahotel.com/connie-airplane/cocktail-lounge

      https://www.twahotel.com/connie-airplane/times-square

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      Post #78125, posted on 05-03-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi Tom,

      You'll want to order VFD128-107. Russell is the way to go since I can no longer ship to the UK.

      Thanks!

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      Post #78127, posted on 05-03-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      In line with this thread about Conni's.
      Do any of you out there wish Lockheed had kept up with the future and abandoned external rubber thermal deicers on the forthcoming Super Constellation models and replaced them with some kind of internal deicers (ala DC-4 - DC-6/7). No matter who the kit manufacturer is, the juncture of outer rudder tail planes to elevator plane is either ignored, a lightly scribed line given or a one surface plane decal given. The complex radial tail juncture is almost impossible to be covered by a decal pattern. One is lucky if the kit manufacturer even scribes the faint edging of the deicer onto the kit parts or even mentions it in the instructions. It one of those things once noticed in a photograph that constantly draws the mind to the lack of it on your finished kit . Filleting and masking that area is more and more a watchmakers task as the model diminishes in size below 72nd scale. A masking set would be nice except lack of consistency between the plane and kit makers drawings. So, once done save your mask pattern shapes you'll most certainly build another Conni.

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      Post #78129, posted on 05-03-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      In reply to Mikeís last post, Iíve ordered the 128 decal set (along with a 747 144 set) from Russell.

      Everyoneís input has been extremely helpful in sending me down the correct, logical path, so Iíll end up with a 128 TWA and a 144 Pan Am bird at some point.

      Iíll also keep in mind Kurtís future kit, by which time my skills might actually have improved to do it justice.

      BTW - I just ordered an interesting little book from Amazon by Scott Henderson that has some good quality color photos, if anyone is interested. The description reads:
      ď Lockheed Constellation In Colour: A Photographic History of one of the most Charismatic American Civil Aircraft Ever BuiltĒ.

      It only costs £5.80 or @$8 in the UK.

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      Post #78130, posted on 05-03-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Tom, I've got a bajillion pictures of an ex-TCA 1049 (G or H) from the Museum of Flight. Not sure if that's helpful, but I can shoot over the link if you'd like.

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      Post #78131, posted on 05-04-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Sure Merlin, that would be great thanks.

      Iím also going to trawl my many photos taken at museums over the years although I donít think Iíve ever seen a Connie up close. Iím sure Iíd have remembered.

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      Post #78136, posted on 05-04-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Have You ever seen another airline that used square tipped 3-blade props as Air Canada did on their Super Constellation? I hadn't til I saw that it did that at its previous displayed site. Then apart from wondering why I'd missed it in near by Eastern Canada. I just thought the displayer had just cobbled together props from blanks of steel scrap. When I finally did see it at the "Museum of Flight" (up North of Seattle). And it still wears those props (weirder yet a full size Lockheed plane displayed among all full size Boeing types).
      Did any other first user of Super Constellation's use square tipped props?

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      Post #78143, posted on 05-05-2021 GMT-5 hours    
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      Did any other first user of Super Constellation's use square tipped props?




      KLM L-1049Cs had square-tipped props.

      -Dana

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      Post #78146, posted on 05-05-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      From my book Lockheed Constellation in Colour which just arrived yesterday courtesy of Amazon, I can add the following:

      Ex-Trek Airways
      (LEBCA) Linea Expresa Bolivar Compania Anonima
      Seaboard and Western Airlines
      Air Ceylon
      CAUSA (Compania Aeronautica Uruguaya)

      There are probably others however the 87 pages of colour photos (2 per page) show some aircraft static and others with the engines running so you canít tell.

      Iím sure many are already aware of this excellent book however itís a must-have for serious Connie fans, especially at @$8.

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      Post #78243, posted on 05-15-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Sorry for the delay Tomcat72, I don't have least idea how to reach you except by this way

      I'm half way to 80 in age and this computer thing isn't my area of readily known knowledge. It only took ten minutes to find out how get to your mail quarry. I started to answer you yesterday (2021,5,14 @ 11 am EDST, but had to go out of the house. So after copying what I'd wrote I came back today (2021,5.11:00 am EDST) and I find, whatever I wrote you (or was going to) gone.
      I have no idea how long this will let me be on( I got kicked out the first time I ever logged on to add/ask a theme in this site. So I'll continue this as a draft to make sure it doesn't kick me out again for a being on a long time.
      I find your interests surprising. You mention PAN AM, but not BOAC. I too liked PAN AM (even had stock in them til they went down). Living here in the Detroit area all my life it was a treat to be taken to the airport some Sundays while young and see a PAN AM DC-7C parked next a BOAC Britannia. Those were the days of Detroit being the only mid point stop between NY and the Chicago terminus point in the fifties for PAN AM and BOAC. Nowadays , as you know it takes a lot to be surprised by seeing a new countries flag carrier landing at your airport. Where as I was once just all American built follower I have migrated to Lockheed Electra, Illushin IL-18, Britannia and the hugely forgotten L-1649 Starliner. As the first 3 have many decedents from their original base plane design.

      As to the Boeing B-307. I've always liked the plane and am surprised it has garnered so little a remembrance through the years. I got a 1/72 Russian resin kit of it 30 or years ago. It came with a FROG B-17 kit along with the 2 piece resin fuselage. I don't see it listed in"Scalemates" list of Stratoliner kits even today. The nose of the thick resin kit was so blunt I had to re-laminate it with plastic strips twice to get a suitable conical nose shape. I see the 1/144 kit comes with decal front wind screen. I don't know what's easier to position; a decal on a conical surface or adding a clear plastic wind screen? That's the place I've been for the last 5 years. I broke my "Mattel" vaccum form machine , got a dental vac that won't do female molding like Rareplanes " used to do. My resin kit (Stratoliner) is of the latter fin variety the first type I would never have bought.
      My thinking is this on the wire cable problem. Pre-was planes would have had to use a thick radio wire diameter until after the war when war time developed dia wire would have become more readily available during an overhaul. I was going to use 1.64 th dia wire(.01625) assuming I live long enough to finish it. This is the best I can offer as a suggestion.

      John M

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      Post #78251, posted on 05-16-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      John, I really appreciate your contacting me here and itís probably easier to continue our conversation via email.

      My address is usa_voyager@hotmail.com. If you could send me a 1-liner from your email account that would be great.

      I know the problem of the Cafe session timing out and losing your draft so I tend to use the advice given at the bottom of the window to copy what Iíve just typed using Ctrl-C or Command-C before pressing Reply so you can paste the text into a fresh window after you login again!

      Just to answer your question about my airline preferences, Iím a huge fan of Pan Am because of its fantastic history and the great collaboration with Boeing which created so many Ďfirsts í, including the B-307 of course. During the lockdowns, Iíve read several books about PA and Juan Trippe and became aware of its importance to shaping the world of commercial aviation. Iím also interested in TWA however and like itís various liveries.

      Hope to chat more offline.

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      Post #78320, posted on 05-30-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Following the earlier advice above, I popped the box on my Revell 144 Connie (itís the C-121C MATS version, which was the only one I could find) to survey the work ahead and, as I was advised above, the radar nose wonít work with the VFD Pan Am decals, as theyíre designed for the non radar nose.

      Pondering this challenge, I started to see if it was possible to sculpt the correct nose shape when I noticed that the transparency sprue actually contains a shorter nose (part #26) which isnít referred to in the main section of the instruction details - however, the sprue drawings indicate that this part is unused for this kit and I imagine that itís a legacy of an earlier release of the L-1049. Indeed, one of the sprues is labelled as ďL-1049Ē as opposed to C-121C.

      Therefore, it looks like I might have lucked out and have the correct nose but just wanted to check with anyone who has built this kit on whether this nose part does have the correct shape to be used with the VFD decals.

      Mike V / Dana / Electraglider?

      Thanks.

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      Post #78321, posted on 05-30-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      The old Revell Connie in 1/128 is in my opinion,nearly as good shape wise as the Monogram kit.The engine cowlings are also closer to the non turbo compound engines on the base 1049,whic is what the two that Pan Am leased were.You would need to change the nose to the early non radar nose.
      Kurt,are you doing the L-1649 with your Connie series?
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      Post #78322, posted on 05-30-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Yes Sparky,
      Kurts plans to do the Constellation, Super Constellation and Starliner.

      Cheers,

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      Post #78326, posted on 05-31-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks Sparky.

      I actually have the old Revell 128 kit but I had decided to use this to build a TWA version.

      As youíve pointed out, it also has the radar nose so would need modification however, as the 144 Revell MATS kit appears to have the non-radar nose part and my VFD Pan Am decals are 144, the easiest route would be to use this for my Pan Am build.

      Since my post yesterday, Iím more convinced that this spare nose part will probably give the correct shape but was looking for confirmation so I donít waste the decals, which wrap around the nose.

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      Post #78327, posted on 06-01-2021 GMT-5 hours    
      Other models of the Connie there is the F-RSIN kits. Nice builds.

      Dave
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