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      Post #64018, posted on 08-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      When did Pan Am shorten the fuselage titles on their 707 and 727 aircraft from Pan American to Pan Am? Was it with the introduction of their 747s or sometime before or after? Were there any other changes to their livery at the time the titles were shortened?

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      Post #64019, posted on 08-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      It was right around 1970. IIRC, some of the early 747s came with the longer "Pan American" titles on the fuselage.

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      Post #64020, posted on 08-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      I believe the shortened Pan Am titles began in 1969, since the first Pan Am 747s were tested and delivered then. Two of the test fleet of 5 747s had complete Pan Am markings, (with the shortened titles,) one had only the Pan Am stripe and 747 logo, one with the TWA spear livery, and one, (prototype,) in Boeing house colors. Pan Am's first 747 revenue flight was in January 1970, (with shortened titles.) This is not to say that the shortened titles may not have been applied to other Pan Am in-service aircraft, prior to 1970.

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      Post #64041, posted on 08-16-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      And the cheatline was changed somewhat on the nose. The blue ends (or starts) just behind the black anti glare panel.
      The shortened Pan Am titles appeared on IGS 727 about 1972.

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      Post #64059, posted on 08-18-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      No actual 747 ever appeared with the full "PAN AMERICAN" titles. Only artist's renderings and models. The change started occurring in 1969.

      Note that the old (1958) style lettering was used until around 1974 with the shortened titles, then the lettering was changed to the later style, shortened titles.

      Note the completely different style and proportions of the two types of lettering...


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      Post #64061, posted on 08-18-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      We think the BI/Pan American N1803 -62 (January '70) was likely the last repainted A/C to have the full 'Pan American' titles applied. So the late 1969-early '70 is about right





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      Post #64097, posted on 08-23-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      Note that the old (1958) style lettering was used until around 1974



      If timetable covers provide a clue as to when the change took place... Pan Am's 4/25/71 cover had the older/original (1958) style "Pan Am" titles; after that the titles on their timetables were in basic Helvetica font...until 4/29/73 when the newer/bolder style titles (as shown above) appeared on that and subsequent timetable covers.

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      Post #64298, posted on 09-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi all,
      I recently restored a Revell 707 and built a -121B. For the livery I utilized some remaing early Pan Am 26decals.
      As fuselage titels I choose the shortend version (i.e. the wing markings), registered her as N711PA, quite sure that the -121Bs never received this change.
      However, by random I found a photo in the internet, showing N710PA's transfer flight to Turky as it was sold to THY in 1972:

      http://www.everythingpanam.com/B707.html

      710 had the shortened titels indeed :-)

      In this context I'd like to get further background on Pan Am's original Boeing 707-121(B) operations.
      On which routes were the few 121s operated after arrival of the Intercontinental 320/B/Cs in 1959/1960?
      Were they still operated on transatlantic flights? And when did the conversion to the B-Standard happen?

      Best regards from Frankfurt
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      Post #64318, posted on 09-15-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      In this context I'd like to get further background on Pan Am's original Boeing 707-121(B) operations.
      On which routes were the few 121s operated after arrival of the Intercontinental 320/B/Cs in 1959/1960?
      Were they still operated on transatlantic flights? And when did the conversion to the B-Standard happen?

      Best regards from Frankfurt
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      According to my Pan Am timetables dated 9/27/59 and 8/1/60, in which 707s were identified as "707 Jet Clipper" or "707 Intercontinental":

      In Sept-Oct '59 -320s were assigned only to the LAX/SFO-LHR Polar Route and Tokyo-HNL-SFO/LAX. -121s were operated on a handful of New York-London/Paris flights with Paris flights routed 3x/wk via Boston terminating in PAR, and a daily NYC-PAR non-stop (with "optional fuel stop enroute") continuing to Rome. With additional -321 deliveries during Oct '59 the "Intercontinentals" began taking over NYC-Europe from 10/10/59. All other flights in the timetable were still flown by piston types.

      By August 1960, when PA had ~24 -321 and -331s in service (vs only 5 at the end of Sept '59), and eight "DC-8C Jet Clippers" had entered service (vs zero in 1959), all of PA's North Atlantic/Middle East and trans-Pacific flights were flown by -320s or DC-8s (with trans-Atlantic cargo only flight opb DC-7CF and DC-6A). -121s are found only on routes serving Nassau (Bahamas) the Caribbean, and Latin America (alongside -320s on the NYC-South America timetable -- the -320s presumably flying the NYC-Brasilia-Buenos Aires route, with an intermediate stop at Port of Spain on the northbound return flight...with immediate connections by piston types to/from Rio and Sao Paulo).

      According to Boeing 707 & 720 by George Cearley, PA's -121s were converted to -121Bs in 1965. This book also has a photo of -121B N711PA with (shortened) "Pan Am" titles, taken in 1972 as the 'plane was preparing to depart on its retirement/ferry flight to the Arizona desert (according to the caption).

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      Post #64353, posted on 09-19-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Thank you so much for sharing this information, Todd