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Post #65423, posted on 01-04-2017 GMT-5 hours    
But NOT available yet. After posting a similar message on the relevant thread on Britmodeller, I was contacted by MikroMir to tell me its not out yet. The seller is presumably taking pre orders.

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Post #65441, posted on 01-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
The ebay listing seems to have been taken down because of an "error" whatever that means.

The kit is now listed as "expected" on the Aviation Megastore's website where the provisional price is given as EUR 62.95 including tax. Considering the Zvezda 777 sells for EUR 24.95 including tax the MD-11 is going to have to be pretty special to justify that price tag.

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Post #65442, posted on 01-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
63 Euro?? (about $67 for us using the US dollar). For that price I'd rather buy Kurt's kit.

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Post #65443, posted on 01-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
That price includes tax within the EU. If you deduct the tax it comes in at around EUR 52 or $55.

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Post #65445, posted on 01-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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63 Euro?? (about $67 for us using the US dollar). For that price I'd rather buy Kurt's kit.

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Even for 52 or 55 Euros without tax is twice more the 777....

For that price, I'm also prefer to invest a little more and get Kurt MD-11.

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Post #65451, posted on 01-06-2017 GMT-5 hours    
...but EASTERN's Antonov AN-22 is (was) much more expensive 65,- !
The MD-11 kit IS expensive but within the range.


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Post #65452, posted on 01-06-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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63 Euro?? (about $67 for us using the US dollar). For that price I'd rather buy Kurt's kit.

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if available.
Dont know, why the MD-11s and 747s are currently not available, because these types and also the L1011-500 are in the moment without competition. had the luck to get maybe the last 747SP from Kurt before Christmas.

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Post #65453, posted on 01-06-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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Even for 52 or 55 Euros without tax is twice more the 777....


You're comparing apples to hub caps. EE is not a mainstream manufacturer like Zvezda. The price of one company's kits has no relationship whatsoever to the price of the other's kits.

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Post #65454, posted on 01-06-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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Even for 52 or 55 Euros without tax is twice more the 777....


You're comparing apples to hub caps. EE is not a mainstream manufacturer like Zvezda. The price of one company's kits has no relationship whatsoever to the price of the other's kits.



I think we could work that out for ourselves but it isn't really the point. Most of us have a fixed and finite budget for our modelling and EUR 52 or USD 55 will make a large dent in that budget. For that sort of money it is reasonable to expect a premium product. I'm not familiar with the An-22 so I can't comment on its quality but my own experience with EE kits has not been good and junk is junk whatever the economics of the company which produces it. If the MD-11 turns out to be a masterpiece that's great, I'll dig deep in my pocket and invest in a couple. If it doesn't justify it's price I'll buy Authentic Airliners where high quality is a given.

Incidentally the Aviation Megastore are listing the EE Tristar as "New stock at reduced price" for EUR 37.15 without tax which is roughly USD 39. It's still a lot of money but rather more realistically priced than the MD-11.

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Post #65457, posted on 01-06-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Now listed on PAS website at 2699 roubles, $45, 36, 42 euros.

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Post #65465, posted on 01-07-2017 GMT-5 hours    
what is this ? special edition ? MD-11

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Post #65467, posted on 01-07-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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I think we could work that out for ourselves but it isn't really the point. Most of us have a fixed and finite budget for our modelling and EUR 52 or USD 55 will make a large dent in that budget. For that sort of money it is reasonable to expect a premium product. I'm not familiar with the An-22 so I can't comment on its quality but my own experience with EE kits has not been good and junk is junk whatever the economics of the company which produces it. If the MD-11 turns out to be a masterpiece that's great, I'll dig deep in my pocket and invest in a couple. If it doesn't justify it's price I'll buy Authentic Airliners where high quality is a given.

Incidentally the Aviation Megastore are listing the EE Tristar as "New stock at reduced price" for EUR 37.15 without tax which is roughly USD 39. It's still a lot of money but rather more realistically priced than the MD-11.



I couldn't express myself better.

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Post #65470, posted on 01-07-2017 GMT-5 hours    
I would like to order a couple, especially the KLM version. When and where is it available again?

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Post #65490, posted on 01-08-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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I would like to order a couple, especially the KLM version. When and where is it available again?



I don't think it's out for sale yet, personally I keep an eye on the Aviation Megastore website as they normally are very early with stocking new releases (and it's a 20 minute drive from here )

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Post #65514, posted on 01-10-2017 GMT-5 hours    
https://www.ebay.de/itm/391672262050

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Post #65516, posted on 01-10-2017 GMT-5 hours    
I received my "posted" notice this morning from eBay. Looking forward to it.

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Post #65517, posted on 01-10-2017 GMT-5 hours    
@ Flaptrack: Yes I found that as well, but I prefer the version with KLM decals. Is it the EE kit only? Or does MikroMir offer a KLM decal too in their boxing?

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Post #65519, posted on 01-10-2017 GMT-5 hours    
I recall to have read somewhere that the MikroMir kit contains to Finnish liveries and one Belgian.

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Post #65520, posted on 01-10-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Mikromir is doing Finnair 2x and citybird.
EE does klm. I m still hoping for 26decals, because of better decals and alltogether the price is better. His tristar repack was the better option.

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Post #65521, posted on 01-10-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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Mikromir is doing Finnair 2x and citybird.
EE does klm. I m still hoping for 26decals, because of better decals and alltogether the price is better. His tristar repack was the better option.



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Post #65525, posted on 01-11-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Happy now?

https://www.ebay.de/itm/252719290177

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Post #65539, posted on 01-12-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Thanks, I will wait for it when it is available in Germany to save shipping cost, quite expensive.

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Post #65616, posted on 01-17-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Just received my Eastern-Express boxing of the MD-11 (KLM markings) today.

First impressions are very fine and neat panel line detail, the main parts are cleanly moulded with a tiny amount of flash round some of the smaller detail parts. Main wheels are in halves but appear to be a good representation of the actual wheels. The GE engines have the longer exhaust centre body and show some neat details too. The flap hinges are the oringal shorter type and not the lengthened later version. There's even a flight deck with seats and a nicely moulded instrument panel. The clear part is very clear and seems to capture the window shapes well.

The only negative points I can see on this first look are the lack of raised window strip (the area of the skin that was thicker around the cabin windows) but that can easily be added with very thin plastic card for those who wish and as mentioned the earlier style of flap hinge. The decals are well printed and offer all the registrations and names for the KLM fleet and a choice of silver outlines for the flight deck windows or a solid black version. The sheet also includes upper surface in-spar protective paint coatings (corrogard).

Overall, very nice kit.

And I've just noticed the side of the box shows future releases of JAL (1990's J-bird scheme (grey nose bar)) and Aeroflot (Cargo) colours.

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Post #65617, posted on 01-17-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Jeff..is the fuselage in 2 pieces (port & starboard)? Or is it similar to the EE
B777 that has several "barrels"? Hope you enjoy your build.

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Post #65620, posted on 01-17-2017 GMT-5 hours    
It consists of 4 pieces - 2 long left and right fuselage parts and 2 left and right tail sections. The join is just around the rear most cabin door. The instructions would have you build them separately and then join the front to rear but most of us will sensibly build the right and left full halves (to ensure a flat mating surface) then join these halves in the conventional manner.

On the sprues are little plastic pins that are designed to be used as mounting pins for the tail planes and engines. Quite clever, but those for the engines proved a bit allusive until I checked the edge of the wheels sprue and found them moulded into the runner. I'll try to post a few pictures tomorrow.

The tail planes have very nice sharp trailing edges and have an inset panel to be fitted underneath that helps to avoid overly thick plastic with all the risks of sinkage and such.
Again, I'm impressed by the very neat engraving over the model. It's straight, uniform in depth and really fine.


I like it.

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Post #65626, posted on 01-18-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Thanks for the report, Jeff. Interesting info.

I was one of the "unsensible" on the B777-300 EE kit. I did the barrels in 3 sections. They ended up
not mating properly. FUBAR. The kit got trashed. Live & learn.

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Post #65628, posted on 01-19-2017 GMT-5 hours    
I have ordered one, but not here yet.

The most disappointing thing I see in the sprue shots, is that the engines do not have a seamless intake. So, that will be a bit of work. I already have two AA MD-11's and for my next couple that I need, I will be buying from Kurt.

Bad design for engines considering it was done in 2016 not 1976.

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Post #65629, posted on 01-19-2017 GMT-5 hours    
I find cutting off resin pour blocks to be just as much work (if not more) as the few minutes it takes to lightly rub each engine half on a flat piece of sandpaper to ensure a flat mating surface. You may have a much steadier sawing hand than I have. But each to his own.

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Post #65630, posted on 01-19-2017 GMT-5 hours    
I think he meant the design of the intakes where the intake lip is in two halves, rather than an uninterrupted ring. No matter how good the fit is, you still have a glue seam down the middle. I agree - it's a 1960s design idea, not a 2017 design idea. Not very thoughtful.

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Post #65631, posted on 01-19-2017 GMT-5 hours    
For such cases I've been sanding down the intake to about the point where the NMF leading edge becomes paint then replacing the material that I've removed with a scratch-built styrene piece. It takes a little more work up front but it saves loads of sanding and filling time on the back end.

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Post #65632, posted on 01-19-2017 GMT-5 hours    
To clarify, the engine cowlings are split as normal (left and right halves) but the intake ring is a complete circular part, not several pieces.
The design of the cowling can leave a line running down the top and bottom. What I was meaning was the way I deal with this seam is to lightly sand both mating surfaces to achieve as flat a join as possible to reduce this visible seam.

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Post #65635, posted on 01-19-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Jeff, the seams of the halves is what I am talking about (as Jennings correctly inferred). Enjoy dealing with that seam to the fan blades! Yes there are many solutions (I prefer brass or plastic tubing), but in 2017, that should not be an issue. Look at the Skyline 737's, Zvezda 787, Revell A350, Minicraft DC-8. Easy to design at the outset.

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Post #65636, posted on 01-19-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Yes I understand what you mean but Jennings "seams" (ha!!) to be talking about the style of intake like the Revell A320 or just about any old Airfix airliner. No matter, I do agree there are so many models where the intake has been dealt with correctly like the Daco 737 and Minicraft MD-80. I love the idea of brass but haven't been able to make it work.

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Post #65637, posted on 01-19-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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Yes I understand what you mean but Jennings "seams" (ha!!) to be talking about the style of intake like the Revell A320 or just about any old Airfix airliner. No matter, I do agree there are so many models where the intake has been dealt with correctly like the Daco 737 and Minicraft MD-80. I love the idea of brass but haven't been able to make it work.

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Actually I was talking about that style and Jennings correctly understood that. Bad design for something done in 2016

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Post #65641, posted on 01-19-2017 GMT-5 hours    
I haven't got a clue what anybody's talking about!!!

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Post #65642, posted on 01-19-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Two complete fan cowling halves, left and right, from front to back of the fan cowling, including the lip.

versus...

Two halves, left and right, NOT including the forward intake lip, which is a separate part, molded as a complete ring (no seams), which is glued onto the rear section of the fan cowling, leaving no left/right centerline seam running across the intake lip.

I'm not sure how to make that any more clear. Pictures??

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Post #65643, posted on 01-20-2017 GMT-5 hours    
This can be avoided very easily no matter how it is designed. Cut off the forward inlet section of both halves, glue and sand them so you get a perfect seamless ring and merge it with the rest of the engine. Loss of material due to saw cut can be compensated with some styrene sheet and putty. Really no big challenge.


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Post #65649, posted on 01-20-2017 GMT-5 hours    
I will pass on this kit. It's 2017 and E.E still sticks to technology of the 80's when nobody cared about the ugly seams in the cowlings staring the observer in the face. The price is ridiculous as well. Overall E.E is substandard quality to much better and afordable Zvezda. For the price they are asking I will dig somewhat deeper in my pockets and give Kurt and Authentic Airliners my money instead for a top-notch Md-11.....

It will be interesting though to see some finished E.E Md-11's and if the price is justified.

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Post #65739, posted on 01-26-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Are the instructions anywhere to find yet on the net ? My brief search came up with nothing.

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Post #65741, posted on 01-26-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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Not the point. The point is, it's drop-dead easy to design a kit so you don't have to do that. That's all the whole thread has been saying.

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Post #65749, posted on 01-26-2017 GMT-5 hours    
There's been plenty of criticism in this thread of how Mikro-Mir designed the kit, disappointment with the price and parts breakdown, and the inevitable comparisons to the Authentic Airliners kit. That's par for the course in this kind of thread, I know.

What I'm interested in is this: Has anyone started building the Mikro-Mir MD-11, and could we please get a build report from someone who has their mitts on one? I really would like an evaluation of this kit on its own merits, and I really would like to see how it builds up. There's been plenty of criticism on this thread but I'd really like to see (and I mean see, if at all possible) more about what you get and how it builds up, and make up my own mind about if I should be delighted or disappointed.

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Post #65750, posted on 01-26-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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There's been plenty of criticism in this thread of how Mikro-Mir designed the kit, disappointment with the price and parts breakdown, and the inevitable comparisons to the Authentic Airliners kit. That's par for the course in this kind of thread, I know.

What I'm interested in is this: Has anyone started building the Mikro-Mir MD-11, and could we please get a build report from someone who has their mitts on one? I really would like an evaluation of this kit on its own merits, and I really would like to see how it builds up. There's been plenty of criticism on this thread but I'd really like to see (and I mean see, if at all possible) more about what you get and how it builds up, and make up my own mind about if I should be delighted or disappointed.

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Yes, I concur with your statement. I would like to examine the assembly of this kit and get a better idea what quality of the detail of the different components is like. Since we do not have a wide variety of 1/144 injection-molded MD-11 kits available on the market, I would be curious to know if this kit goes together well or not.

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Post #65752, posted on 01-26-2017 GMT-5 hours    
I have one on the way, since before I mentioned my unhappiness with the sprue shot. I plan on starting it pretty quickly. There are 4 MD-11's I want to build. I already own 2 AA kits, and this kit will be checked against them. Knowing there is a price difference, there should still be some good quality in this kit for the price. Hopefully soon, some feedback. I already know I am going to be disappointed with the engines, oh well.

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Post #65753, posted on 01-27-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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Not the point. The point is, it's drop-dead easy to design a kit so you don't have to do that. That's all the whole thread has been saying.



Yes of course it is easier but hey we are modellers, otherwise we can buy a ready assembled diecast model with no need to glue, sand, sniffing cement. I like the challenge and want to put a huge amount of personality into the model which makes it unique. I think this is what modelling is all about, a perfect out of the box build is nice but a little bit boring as well I think.

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Not the point. The point is, it's drop-dead easy to design a kit so you don't have to do that. That's all the whole thread has been saying.



I'm with Jennings on this one...... The engin design is the cheap way out engineering vise....

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Post #65821, posted on 01-30-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Just got my order today. Not bad at all, plastic kind ZVEZDA..grey and soft....

I'm happy with even with the price above what we expect.

Wish Revell release this model as like they doing with zvezda.

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Post #65858, posted on 02-02-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Just received the Eastern Express version today and first impressions are very favourable. Interesting to note that on the side of the box are pictures of a P&W-powered JAL 'J-Bird' version and a GE-powered Aeroflot freighter.

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Post #65859, posted on 02-02-2017 GMT-5 hours    
They did miss the raised skin belt behind the windows.

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Post #65882, posted on 02-03-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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They did miss the raised skin belt behind the windows.



Not sure just what that means but I got the same comment on ref to my photos on facebook.

Building the MikroMir now. Cockpit went together nice but just too many parts. Seat arm rests are separate parts and difficult to remove from the trees without damage. The round part that holds the exhaust cone in place is to large, have to sand the diameter down quit a bit, all three of them. Careful,some parts misidentified on the instructions sheet. Just tried to fit nbr 2 engine into tail assembly, engine cowl too long have to sand off 1/16 in for proper fit. Nose wheel assembly 7 parts that have to be glued in place before fuselage halves joined, hate that but no way around it since the fuselage is molded with the nose gear doors closed and the plastic is very very thick.

I have a photo on Facebook that I would post here but I never remember how to post a photo on the forum.

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Post #65883, posted on 02-03-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Still have not received mine, and from Steve's initial review, I might just put mine on eBay and try to recoup some money. I will be getting two more additional MD-11's from Kurt to complete my collection. And we had such high hopes.

Keep em separated!
Steve