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Post #62054, posted on 03-07-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Time for my 1st airliner. Zvezdas kits of the A321 with Nazca-Decals for the new livery American Airlines jets. Braz Models resin sharklet wingtips round out the project.

Didn't see a forum section dedicated to builds. Looked liked there are more that didn't seem appropriate so I put it here. If it should be someplace else just let me know.

So far i am still in he fondling the plastic stage. ;)


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Post #62057, posted on 03-08-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Actually I doing the same project of American Airlines A321 with a zvezda Kit!!!

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Post #62068, posted on 03-08-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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Actually I doing the same project of American Airlines A321 with a zvezda Kit!!!



Outstanding! Nice to be able to compare notes.

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Post #62069, posted on 03-08-2016 GMT-5 hours    
One of the thing I read in the kit reviews was that there was a bit of "texture'" on the part surfaces. I have not inspection all the parts yet but I found that parts of the fuselage has more than a bit. It gets worse as you get closed the mating surfaces. Under the windows is pretty smooth, above the windows you can see that it's starting to get worse. It gets tot he point it looks like the parts were sand cast instead of injection molded.





Anytime I think of something "new" I always figure of I could think of it, someone else did already but I came up with this. Gluing a plastic strip on the inside and filling all those holes seemed tedious. This was minutes. the longest part was mixing the resin. Just a few pinhole to fill.




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Post #62070, posted on 03-08-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Good work! Thanks for the pictures. Looking foward to this thread, always good to see how others do their builds.

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Post #62071, posted on 03-08-2016 GMT-5 hours    
It's always great to watch build threads i have been wondering also if i should share airliner builds here.
Good idea using the resin to fill the windows i must try that looking forward to watching your progress as i have this kit also.
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Post #62094, posted on 03-10-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Good progress so far.I would be interested in how you're going to cut the wing to accommodate them for your kit because I'm planning to do a Frontier Zveda A321 with the sharklets also and would like any tips.

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Post #62095, posted on 03-10-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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I would be interested in how you're going to cut the wing to accommodate them for your kit



Funny that you would say that... I'm interested in how I am gonna do that too. ;)

On another forum an online buddy turned out to be an A321 right seat. Had no clue. he never mentioned and I never asked. He's given me some detail pics he's taken. I'll find out if I can post 'em here.

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Post #62097, posted on 03-11-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Just curious as to why you didn't use the window strips. Did they not fit very well? Meaning you'd have to do more work filling than using the resin method?

I always use the resin method when no window strips are provided but have always used them when they are provided, and then fill and clean up the outside surface.

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Post #62098, posted on 03-11-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Roy,

From my experience with Zvezda kits, the clear window strips are VERY difficult to sand. They're rock-hard. So if they protrude from the fuselage surface just slightly, it's time to get out the files. Sanding, even with coarse grits, has little affect. Also, there is usually much more space to fill around them to get the whole thing tight and flush. The straight resin (or 2 part epoxy in my case) pour gives a more even, flush surface IMO. Only minor filling and sanding of residual "pinholes" might be required, if at all.

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Post #62099, posted on 03-11-2016 GMT-5 hours    
I just started a Zvezda A320 last night as well. I tape the outside and fill from the inside. Usually end up doing some very light sanding outside to smooth it out, but it has been the quickest method for me.

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Post #62100, posted on 03-11-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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Roy,

From my experience with Zvezda kits, the clear window strips are VERY difficult to sand. They're rock-hard. So if they protrude from the fuselage surface just slightly, it's time to get out the files. Sanding, even with coarse grits, has little affect. Also, there is usually much more space to fill around them to get the whole thing tight and flush. The straight resin (or 2 part epoxy in my case) pour gives a more even, flush surface IMO. Only minor filling and sanding of residual "pinholes" might be required, if at all.



Hi Alan,

My only Zvezda experiences are one A320 and one B777-300 and I didn't even think of not using the window strips. I don't recall any problems sanding them down. But next time I'll just use my resin (actually 2-part 15-minute epoxy in my case as well) method that I use on open-window kits.

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Post #62102, posted on 03-11-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Roy, my rational was much the same as Alan's but with a slight difference. The window strips are anything but hard. The kit reviews I read mention a weird feeling softer plastic and they were correct as you can see. Maybe Zvezda reacted to complaints about the too hard plastic. Hmmm, maybe a bit of over compensation. So in the end I was afraid of the same thing as Alan... difficulty sanding and then still having to fill around the windows.



As far as progress, just about ready to close up the fuselage. Did a lot of the preliminary sanding to get rid that crazy roughness that is more extensive than I 1st noticed. Also very happy they included both engines in the box. The V2500, used by AA, parts are grayed out as not used since the CFM's are used for the box art version. Besides the fact I don't know nuttin' about no airliners, I was too bust looking at that cool tail to notice.

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Post #62104, posted on 03-11-2016 GMT-5 hours    
My, that IS bendy!

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Post #62131, posted on 03-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Cool tread, curious how it turns out, thinking about doing the same airplane, same kit. Will be easy to copy since I have a copy sitting outside my office.

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Post #62132, posted on 03-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
I had similar trouble working on the Zvezda IL-62M.

I will also no longer use their windows but fill the holes (using Tamiya green putty so far).

In the case of the IL-62M it turned out that the fuselage plastic is even softer
than the window clear parts are. While sanding, the fuselage plastic consequently
eroded away a little faster than the window plastic did, so in the end every window showed up as a tiny
hump, leaving an uneven surface on the model although I took a lot of care while sanding.
Also I tape from the outside while gluing in the windows to avoid that the windows protrude out of the fuselage.
Still, that problem occurred.

I am already taping closely around the windows when applying putty to avoid damage to any panel lines and the surface.

So after all, I will always fill the Zvezda windows from the inside now as well, while taping the window-line
from the outside for that process. Results on a second IL-62M fuselage look very promising and the process
is not only much faster but also much more precise because damage to the outer surface is minimized.
Not to mention the damage to my nerves ))


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Post #62151, posted on 03-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Look forward to seeing it David.

Thanks for passing on your experience with the soft windows. I had a feeling I made the right decision.

Slowly taking shape. Sanding of the fuselage is finally done and will be primed soon to see what needs to be fix. Hopefully nothing... yeah right. Some rescribing to do too.

Worrying about the primer. I reworked the stand a bit. I didn't like the recessed sides of the upright so I covered both sides with some .060 sheet plastic and rounded off all the edges. I use Mr. Surfacer 1500 black primer for the "black basing" part of the weathering for my military stuff. Figured I may as well use it here too. The white plastic bits I added were smooth as a baby butt. The primer crazed the Zvezda plastic of the base a lot.






Wazi here ya go... I checked the chord of the sharklet and it's an exact match for the panel just at the end aileron. I darkened it to make it easier to see for the cut with a JLC saw. The sharklet is just held there with some blu tack but the adjustments will be very minor for a perfect fit.




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Post #62197, posted on 03-17-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Thank you Wing nut! Very enlightening, I might have to get one of those JLC saws for myself.

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Post #62227, posted on 03-19-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Looking at the hole in the fuselage I realized there's no way attach the nose gear. Never planned on using the flight deck but didn't pay attention to the fact the nose gear wheel well was under the floor.

So some tape to guide the saw and pencil mark to line it all back up again along with some plastic strips inside. .005 plastic to fill some of the gaps before slathering with putty. The good new is the flight deck floor and wheel well just dropped right in place after hacking off the nose.








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Post #62235, posted on 03-20-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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Looking at the hole in the fuselage I realized there's no way attach the nose gear. Never planned on using the flight deck but didn't pay attention to the fact the nose gear wheel well was under the floor.




Glad to see I'm not the only person to cause myself extra work by not reading the instructions

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Post #62236, posted on 03-20-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Instructions? there are instructions?


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Post #62276, posted on 03-25-2016 GMT-5 hours    
The thickness of the sharklet airfoil was a bit more the wing so I lined up the top side since it had the exact right curve to match. The bottom was easy to sand to shape.





Added vortex generators (?) to the V2500 engine cowls.



1st coat of primer to see if any fixes are needed and to my surprise 1 tiny little thing and not where the front was chopped. I had been wondering what to use for the final gray color but I think the Mr. Surfacer looks pretty darn close.


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Post #62464, posted on 04-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Build pace slowed t a crawl. Things are finally letting up around here so I can get to the bench. A few tiny little touch ups to do then clear coat and decals. Really looking forward to those decals. ;)




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Post #62465, posted on 04-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
That looks very sharp. i very much like the metal look on the engine intake. Did you also airbrush the black line on the wing root?

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Post #62466, posted on 04-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Hi Marc,
indeed that looks very fancy, looking forward to see him grow up,
any details on methods and techniques are very welcome as well!

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Post #62468, posted on 04-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Beautiful! Loved it.

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Post #62469, posted on 04-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Thanks for the comments and compliments guys.

Nothing really exceptional as far as technique here. Basic fit and finishes stuff. The AA decals are laser printed so it needed the white tail section. I cut out he decal and used them to make template out of Frog tape... the green one. The corogard, back of the engine nacelles and the sharklet are all masked with very thin strips of Frog type cut with a straight edge and the open space filled with "Incredible White Mask Liquid Frisket.".

For the wing root, 1st some black around the root, then I cut crazy thin strips of tape. I had some 1/64 tape (0.016") and thought it was too wide . The strip I cut are probably about 1/100th" . The problem is it so darn thin it was hard to see if it wavered at al, and the transition from wing root to fuselage was hard to see too, so there is a tiny bit of waviness in the black line. The front of the sharklets, anti-chafe strips and engine cowl bits are all Alclad II Duraluminum.

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Post #62477, posted on 04-07-2016 GMT-5 hours    
nice looking build!! Glad to know both engine types come with the kit.

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Post #62500, posted on 04-08-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Unfortunately what they did not included are the gray decals for the sides of the engine mounts. Here's my "I don't know airliners" question for the day... Is that corogard like in the upper surface the wings? Anyway, had I realized that before the engines were mounted I could have cut some masks or something. Pretty cramped there now.

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Post #62501, posted on 04-08-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Marc,
these are included as decals in some of the Revell decals produced by DACO
and you can surely get them easily. Example is here:
http://www.airlinercafe.com/photo_60.details.large

I am not entirely sure its coroguard but sure its a dark metal color and not painted.

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Post #62506, posted on 04-08-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Thanks Christian. That may just be high enough resolution to work.

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Post #62530, posted on 04-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
That light at the end of the tunnel is gettin' brighter. A day for the decal to really set up and some clear coat to seal it all. I'll be detailing the LG in between.

I took a bit of license with the gray decals for the engine mounts. I trimmed to decals supplied and they didn't;' look to bad so I went with them.

Had some sizing issues... well, I didn't, Nazca did... with the white around the cabin doors. The white surround is a separate decal to go over a thin black door outline. In some case the covered it all, others not. Not sure how but I ended up 1 shout so took a door decal off a British Airways sheet I bought 26Decals that has extras. I may g back and peel off all the Nazca doors and have them all match. Read that as that's exactly what I'll be doing. ;)




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Post #62531, posted on 04-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Marc,
Looks really good.
I have been looking for the AA grey to do my 777-300 ER.
Just to be clear, all you used was Mr. Surfacer in the rattle can?
I really like the way it matches!

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Post #62532, posted on 04-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Hi Walter

1st, thanks very much.

I ended up think the Mr. Surface was a little too dark. I ended doing a simple tinting of Tru-Color flat white with their flat black to the point it matched a photo I felt was a good natural lighting.

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Post #62533, posted on 04-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Hi Marc,
I do really really like your build, well done!

All these Airbusses are born in Hamburg where I live and they fly every day over my house for test flights ))
American, Spirit, Delta ...

There is one thing that may be worth mentioning if you allow me, because a beautiful airliner deserves beautiful
3D interior ))

What do you think of using this to let you plane come to life:

http://www.authentic-airliner-decals.de/WebRoot/Store20/Shops/17895661/569A/4A5E/1863/0E30/BBCA/C0A8/2ABB/910D/A321_144_CABIN_COCKPIT.jpg

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Post #62536, posted on 04-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Beautiful build Marc! I love it, especially the work you did on the wings and engines. Stunning!

Very inspiring build! Thank you!
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Post #62538, posted on 04-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Outstanding!

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Post #62540, posted on 04-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Outstanding work Marc. You mentioned at the beginning this is your first airliner, what do you normally build?

I better get to work on mine now, you've put me to shame

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Post #62545, posted on 04-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Awesome work congratulations, btw i also have AA decals in stock. just in cas you need more next time

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Post #62546, posted on 04-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Nice finish,but I'm not sure if the photo is deceiving my eyes or the leading edges are left in the up position????

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Post #62550, posted on 04-10-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Thanks all so much for the comments and compliments. A nice feeling when the real airliners guys like it.

Christian.... just ordered the set for the next build and since there will be an extra likely added here too.

George... Likely not to come a s a surprise but WWII military aircraft and armor. My handle was based on all aircraft all the time. Then I got the amour bug, added tracks to my "winged nut" avatar, and that took over for a while. Now I am trying to mix it up to keep from getting a rut. Couple of ship and modern jet fighters in the mix too. But there absolutely be more airliner.

Jon... no worries, I'll checking your site.

Ray... they are down but probably not enough. The way the parts mounted that was the logical position but I'll need to look into to it more. Shouldn't be a problem remounting them since they've popped off during handling already ;)

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Post #62582, posted on 04-12-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Nice looking Bus Mr. Wing_nut. A couple things I noticed (only because I do this for a living and I have worked on that very airplane). The leading edges of the pylons should be bare metal. The inlet ring is a dull finish not polished. the decal maker forgot the walkway stripes for the horz. stab.

But damn that is a good looking model, wish mine looked that good, I wish the real thing looked that good, not dirty and greasy.

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Post #62584, posted on 04-12-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Thank you for the compliments, comments and feedback.

The decal maker left out a couple of things, and to be fair so did the kit maker, easy to replicate though. I had noticed the pylons had the bare metal LE but was not sure if the AA aircraft had it. That will get done, as will the metal LE on the horizontal stabs. I'm gonna look for a photo of the walkways you are referring too. The plan for the inlet rings has been to wait until all the clear coats are done and brush a little clear flat, maybe with a little smoke mixed in to take the brightness down a notch or to.

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Post #62679, posted on 04-15-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Calling this 99.9999 % done. I am just waiting for some way cool 3D cockpit window to apply then final clear coat. But for all intents and purposes this baby is done. Need a bigger backdrop so beet pics will follow.

The Nazca decal for the nose gear doors... A321/783 is way to big to fit the kit doors and making new doors to fit the decal would have been hugely out of scale. I am going to scan and shrink those down a bit.

1st airliner under my belt. Most definitely more in my future. Thank you all for being patient with me and helping me along the way.










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Post #62685, posted on 04-16-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Excellent Marc,

A great looking Build!

Nice to see it on a stand also. Gives a a nice view of all the fine work.

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Post #62686, posted on 04-16-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Beautiful clean build! I have to say I find the cockpit windows already quite nice and a 3D decal is in my eyes not necessary, but that is your decision of course. But what is that swirl on the nose? See the first picture.

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Post #62689, posted on 04-16-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Andrew, FF... thanks, glad oyu like it.

How did I not see that swirl on the nose? I was doing some touch ups with a brush of metalizer paint and must have "brushed" the nose as I was turning it over. Good thing the gloss coat is acrylic to a cotton swab with a bit of lacquer thinner cleaned it off. A tense moment though since the paint underneath is lacquer based

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Post #62694, posted on 04-16-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Nice job! Thanks for sharing the methodology. Looks sharp.

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Post #62697, posted on 04-16-2016 GMT-5 hours    
BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post #62703, posted on 04-17-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Dulles, Brad... thank you for the compliments.

Marc