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      Post #61603, posted on 02-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Not strictly speaking an airliner, but very exciting news none the less. New for 2016!!

      http://www.frogmodelaircraft.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=323

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      Post #61609, posted on 02-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Wow, who'd have thunk anyone would do a Starlifter in injected plastic this long after its service life?

      And a VC-10 Tanker too.... Long live the Tankers and Trash Haulers!

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      Post #61610, posted on 02-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Where do you live Mike?? I'm in Abingdon!

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      Post #61640, posted on 02-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Just wondering if someone is going to do decals for this airplane. Would like to get it and hack it up make it into an A model and paint and decal it up in old MAC white and gray so I can give it to my father, he was a crew chief on 141's for a time.

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      Post #61643, posted on 02-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      I'm going to say "yes" (fündekals). I love the 141, and have been waiting years for a kit (Anigrand doesn't count). Especially since it's a fairly simple project as far as decals are concerned. There just weren't that many markings applied to C-141s.

      We'll have to see as we get closer to the kit's release, but I feel pretty sure we'll do them.

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      Post #61647, posted on 02-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      There was also a really nice homemade resin release by Scott Doepker (sp?). I believe he was with the 445th AW at Wright-Patt when they flew the C-141s. The shapes on his kit are great, though it does not come with gear. I forget where I heard about him, but I ordered one from him years ago, and am pleased with it in the box. Like most all of my collection, the kits never seem to make an escape from the box to the workbench

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      Post #61649, posted on 02-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      Would like to get it and hack it up make it into an A model



      That's exactly what I have in mind for mine. I've been wanting to build 66-7958, as in 1969, for a long time. That was the C-141 that carried the Apollo 11 Mobile Quarantine Facility (the big Airstream trailer in which they sealed the three astronauts, a doctor, and an engineer) from Hawaii back to Houston. IIRC, 7958 was in bare metal at the time, which will add to the fun (and angst). But it'll look great when done, and that's why we do these things, I think.

      A good C-141 in any scale is long overdue, but to have Roden do it in probably the best scale for an airplane of that size is good news indeed. I'm sure looking forward to it.

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      Post #61650, posted on 02-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      I want to cut one up as a C-141A in NASA telescope colors.

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      Post #61656, posted on 02-10-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      I want to cut one up as a C-141A in NASA telescope colors.
      I want to do the same! It would be great to have some decals to go with that

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      Post #61659, posted on 02-10-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      The C-141 A exists allready:

      http://www.airlinercafe.com/photo_6903.details

      I have one.

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      Post #61667, posted on 02-10-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      The C-141 A exists allready



      About which, the less said, the better....

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      Post #61672, posted on 02-10-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Not to hijack a thread, whatever that really means, but didn't someone make both the C-141-A and the B as vacuforms in 1/72 scale? I seem to remember a really nice decal sheet that came with them. An example showed up built at a recent IPMS/USA Nationals. It looked like it had potential.

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      Post #61673, posted on 02-10-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      Not to hijack a thread, whatever that really means, but didn't someone make both the C-141-A and the B as vacuforms in 1/72 scale? I seem to remember a really nice decal sheet that came with them. An example showed up built at a recent IPMS/USA Nationals. It looked like it had potential.

      Gerry



      I believe you're thinking of the Nova Models vacforms from the mid-to-late '70s. They were very nice kits indeed.

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      Post #61700, posted on 02-12-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      And I will definitely be a third vote for the NASA C-141A including decals!!!!!

      Have fun modeling
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      I want to cut one up as a C-141A in NASA telescope colors.
      I want to do the same! It would be great to have some decals to go with that


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      Post #61717, posted on 02-12-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      I might be able to dig up some old pictures of the NASA C-141 at Moffett. I took some pictures when I saw it there in late 2012 when I was there for an Airship Ventures ride. We were the penultimate one before they shuttered their ops.

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      Post #61739, posted on 02-13-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Somewhere in a box up in the attic I have a 1/200 C-141 A and B models. The B was a Testors kit IIRC, the A models was from Japan I remember they referred to it on the cover as a "Sky Lizzard". There was also many years ago, an Aurora C-141 kit, the A model in some large unknown sale. Still have the horiz stab in by parts box.

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      Post #61740, posted on 02-13-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      DML manufactured both an "A" version and a "B" model. Fairly accurate in 1/200th scale, kinda rare nowadays, you might find them on evilBay occasionally . I have one in my stash, but it won't be built. I'm into 1/144th scale, so I look forward to Roden's attempt.

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      Post #61741, posted on 02-13-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      Somewhere in a box up in the attic I have a 1/200 C-141 A and B models. The B was a Testors kit IIRC, the A models was from Japan I remember they referred to it on the cover as a "Sky Lizzard". There was also many years ago, an Aurora C-141 kit, the A model in some large unknown sale. Still have the horiz stab in by parts box.



      Greetings!

      Both kits were made originally by DML as stated above, and the B model box called it a "Star Lizard" just as the USAF crews who flew it did. I was able to find them still available at various hobby shops in Hong Kong long after they disappeared here in the US, and I believe they were made in Hong Kong, not in Japan.

      As for the Aurora C-141A, it was actually a pretty nice looking kit and fairly accurate in outline, and was somewhere in the neighborhood of 1/100 scale. When built, depending on how much detailing the builder wanted to add, it could be made into a really stunning model of the C-141A.

      Any of these three kits make a nice model IMHO, although the little DML kits need a little mod work on the windshield/fuselage join area. They have it molded as a round area, and it really should have a pinched, or flattened, look on the side of the windshield. Let's hope Roden makes a creditable effort on this one!

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      Post #61767, posted on 02-15-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      I'm going to say "yes" (fündekals). I love the 141, and have been waiting years for a kit (Anigrand doesn't count). Especially since it's a fairly simple project as far as decals are concerned. There just weren't that many markings applied to C-141s.

      We'll have to see as we get closer to the kit's release, but I feel pretty sure we'll do them.

      J



      Count my vote for this one. I'd like to see the Edwards/Dayton birds including the un-streched A models and the B models with the old MAC colors.

      http://www.lockonaviation.net/html/showphoto.php?id=10054
      http://www.lockonaviation.net/html/showphoto.php?id=10042
      http://www.lockonaviation.net/html/showphoto.php?id=10034
      http://www.lockonaviation.net/html/showphoto.php?id=10033
      http://www.lockonaviation.net/html/showphoto.php?id=10035

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      Post #63451, posted on 06-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Just heard the Roden 141 kits will be out next month (July)

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      Post #63816, posted on 07-20-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      The Roden kit is now out. Mine's on the way from Hobby Terra.

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      Post #63840, posted on 07-21-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Photos of the kit parts up at HobbyTerra...

      http://hobbyterra.com/product/1-144-scale-lockheed-c-141b-starlifter-roden-325.html

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      Post #63841, posted on 07-21-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      I like Roden's kits and am very glad they have done the C-141. Though I am not that fond of working with resin kits, I did the Anigrand C-141A and found it to be a very nice model. Now I can do the Roden C-141B to go with it.
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      Post #63849, posted on 07-22-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Greetings!

      I don't claim more than a passing knowledge of the C-141 and its details, but the first photo on the HobbyTerra website shows a flattened (or pinched) fuselage side around the side of the windshield, a detail missed on the little 1/200 DML kits, and it appears Roden got it right on, so barring anything being found to be incorrect, I'd say Roden has a winner with this one! I'll be buying a few.....and then some! She may be slow (M.74), but she is a pretty airplane!

      The National Museum of the USAF has Hanoi Taxi on display, so you can check the details to your hearts content if you can get to Dayton. Of course, she was an A model then and is now a B model. When the gear is extended, the main gear struts stick up through the top of the main gear pods, a feature that you'll see to good effect. Take a camera with you, and plenty of memory/film.

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      Post #63859, posted on 07-24-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks for the update Jennings. Its looks like a good start for a kit. Going to have to rebuild the engine front, that is wrong. TF-33(JT-3D) had Inlet Guide Vanes before the N1 fan. And of course going to have to cut the plugs off and the refueling chute off the fuselage since making an A model. Funny bit of useless information is the airframe they are modeling is on display at March ARB museum.

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      Post #63860, posted on 07-24-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Oh second update that I forgot to say. The gentleman at www.DrawDecal.com has stated he is going to do a run of the MAC gray and white for this kit once it gets a kit for fit check of the decals.

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      Post #63862, posted on 07-24-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Like all of you the C-141 was on my wish list. It was a bad day when they parked them. Very low time compared to Airliners I have seen. Mr Davis would understand after flying DC-8's all those years. Now if Roden would give us a B-32 and C-133 in 1/144 life would be very good. Stay safe.

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      Post #63939, posted on 08-01-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Got the kit today. It's very basic, but very well done. I'm about to get on a plane at zero dark thirty in the morning, so I haven't taken the micrometer to it, but after taping all the major parts together, it looks really, really nice.

      I'm impressed!

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      Post #63940, posted on 08-01-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      A minor datapoint. Trivial but also bringing the Starlifter that much closer to being considered as an airliner. NASA's Kuiper Aerial Observatory was originally Lockheed's civilian demonstrator aircraft and designated the L-300. I can't find it right not but am most certain that Lockheed had a civilian type certificate for the aircraft.

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      Post #63950, posted on 08-04-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      I'm not sure it ever actually received a civian type certificate, since no civilian orders were ever forthcoming, but NASA's 141 carried a civilian registration of course.

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      Post #63952, posted on 08-04-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Greetings!

      Back in 1964 the USAF did not require an FAA certification for its aircraft, but it most certainly is a requirement now, thus the B-1, B-2, C-17 and others of more recent vintage are certified and if military pilots have an ATP they are usually (always?) type rated in them. One way to check on the Starlifter would be to search FAA records for an L-300 C of A. It is possible that Lockheed submitted the data for it in anticipation of commercial sales that never materialized.

      Have you ever noticed that large transport airplanes with shoulder mounted wings always seem to wind up with structural problems in the wing? Some of the various Antonovs, C-130, C-141, C-5, C-133 and C-17 all come to mind.......even the B-52. I like them all anyway, and they have all made great contributions to airlifting.

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      Post #63954, posted on 08-04-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Found The FAA C141 Type Certificate.

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      http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/634aa8444b6e38d886256b35005cb6bf/$FILE/a2so.pdf




      TYPE CERTIFICATE DATA SHEET NO. A2SO
      This data sheet, which is a part of Type Certificate No. A2SO, prescribes conditions and limitations under which the product for
      which the type certificate was issued meets the airworthiness requirements of the Civil Air Regulations.
      Type Certificate Holder Lockheed Martin Corporation
      Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company
      86 S. Cobb Drive
      Marietta GA 30063
      I - Model 300-50A-01 (USAF C-141A) (Cargo transport aircraft), approved January 29, 1965.
      See Note 4 for explanation of model configuration.

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      Post #63956, posted on 08-04-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Greetings!

      I had a feeling you would Ken! In keeping with the idea of marketing the Starlifter to commercial cargo operators as they did with the Hercules, it made sense that they would want to have a type certificate in hand when offering the airplane to prospective buyers.

      By chance, did you also look to see if there was one for the L-500? Although the Galaxy was on offer to airlines, I don't think Lockheed got as much interest in it because the C-5 program was beset with so many problems, cost overruns and the wing problem that none of them wanted to risk investing a huge sum of money in it.

      My LHS got in the Roden C-141B today, and I'll second what Jennings said. It is a fairly simple kit, but at first glance, it looks very nice, and the front end looks exactly as I think it should. It looks like cutting it down to make the A model should be easily doable as well. I think Roden has a winner here.

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      Post #63992, posted on 08-10-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      I was doing some decal art work-up on the Roden kit today and noticed an odd issue with it. The rear escape hatches are too high. The windows in those hatches should be slightly below the windows in the rear doors, but are actually above them... Won't be as obvious On the AMC Proud Gray or MAC Euro 1 schemes, but it will be noticeable on the white over grey scheme...

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      Post #64253, posted on 09-08-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      I'll backdate mine to a "what if" C-141A with red Arctic tail and wingtips for my "Red Tails in the Sunset" theme Collection. :-)

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      Post #64263, posted on 09-09-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Interesting idea Stein. Funny thing is I have a Air Force Tech Order that shows the 141 painted in Arctic Colors. I'm trying to decide if I'm going to do NASA's L-300 or my fathers A model had crew chiefed while at Travis.

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      Post #67869, posted on 08-14-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Good news for all of us not fast enough to get the first batch of the Caracal C-141 decal sheet -- its available again!

      http://www.caracalmodels.com/cd144002.html

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