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Post #61902, posted on 02-25-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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BWIA's L-1011-500s had a wider chord rudder to meet their more exacting airfield requirements......

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Hi Terry could you show me an illustration pics of what you referring to the "wider chord rudder"??? I am still learning when it comes to A/C and details..

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Post #61909, posted on 02-25-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Holmes757......



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Post #61912, posted on 02-25-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Thanks Terry although I can barely see the difference??

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Post #61921, posted on 02-26-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Sorry Terry, the rudder is identical on both of them (and all other 1011s). What you're seeing on the BWIA airplane is the rudder hinge/actuator access panels forward of the hinge line.


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Post #61922, posted on 02-26-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Um, , well Terry, I'm not sorry because for years I've always noticed the difference in the BWIA number two engine pylon just below the rudder…

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Post #61923, posted on 02-26-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Guys,

There is something different in those two tail photos. Compare the bottom aft end of the rudder with the end of the trailing edge of the exhaust nozzle on Jennings' marked-up photos. They are different. The radius of the fairing below the rudder is also different. Are they both -500s?

Nice views of the later "Frisbee fairing" below the center intake. Don't know if that is an official name, but it's what Clint Groves always called it (and BTW, neither the Otaki kit nor the first EE release have it).

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Post #61924, posted on 02-26-2016 GMT-5 hours    
That is the BWIA special….That is what Terry is talking about.

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Post #61925, posted on 02-26-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Well, I know f*ck-all (obviously), but the former Lockheed Tech rep with BWIA for several years who just explained how the 5 L-1011-500s concerned were modified to this configuration (2 on a service bulletin & 3 at Palmdale) seems to know his stuff (posted in the Facebook TriStar group). If only he could supply me with a service bulletin diagram, but he can't. Then again, he might know f*ck-all either......

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Post #61926, posted on 02-26-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Well Terry, I am glad you brought it to attention because a lot of folks don't realize BWIA had that feature.
I even had to make a note of it in my construction log book under BWIA so I wouldn't forget to change it when the time comes.
Kudos to ya.

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Post #61927, posted on 02-26-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Thanks, but "kudos" counts for naught in this place

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Post #61928, posted on 02-26-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Ahh

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Post #61929, posted on 02-26-2016 GMT-5 hours    
I purchased the EE from an ebay seller to compare it with the Otakis I am building and its been a month now since it was posted from Russia.
I am very patient. But getting a wee bit antsy. I have never had to file a claim dang it…..

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Post #61930, posted on 02-26-2016 GMT-5 hours    
The rudder extension is in the trailing edge, which makes sense. Changing the rudder attachment points would be huge and probably very costly. The lines Jennings drew are correct, if there was an additional line at the trailing edge, that would be pushed out further. Notice how on the BWIA jet the rudder ends further aft than the cold section of the #2 engine.

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Post #61931, posted on 02-26-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Ahmed, that's exactly what I tried to say.

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Post #61932, posted on 02-27-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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I purchased the EE from an ebay seller to compare it with the Otakis I am building and its been a month now since it was posted from Russia.
I am very patient. But getting a wee bit antsy. I have never had to file a claim dang it…..


I ordered 5 bulk packages from Russia.
1st ordered 1/15/16 regarding to tracking is still preparing to dispatch from Russian post on the border.
next 3 shipped 2/5/16 and one of them arrived today after 21 days.
The most interesting! Yesterday I received my 5th order that was shipped 2/18/16. Just after 7 days!
I truly do not understand how Russian post works.
I would suggest spend couple of extra buks and purchase items locally. You will get your item after 1-4 days with USPS or Fedex. ;-)

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Post #61933, posted on 02-27-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Thank you Terry. I had never noticed this feature.

Just ignore those who think they're superior and like to belittle your research efforts.

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Post #61934, posted on 02-27-2016 GMT-5 hours    
The fairing below the rudder is different. But the *chord* of the rudder is identical. And I'm not sure what the rudder has to do with field length.

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Post #61935, posted on 02-27-2016 GMT-5 hours    
I wrote "airfield requirements"; does that mean "field length"?

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Post #61936, posted on 02-27-2016 GMT-5 hours    
got my EE L1011 today from 123rus77. relatively quick delivery. To my surprise the Delta decals look very good. but it will definetely be TWA twin globes with Nazca details.
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Post #61938, posted on 02-27-2016 GMT-5 hours    
It looks clearer here:

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Post #61939, posted on 02-27-2016 GMT-5 hours    
This also reinforces Terry's point:

BWIA had slightly larger/deeper rudders installed on their aircraft because they needed to lower the Vmcg airspeed to enable them to take off from shorter runways at high weights.

This was mainly for the smaller Carribean islands they served with the L1011.


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Post #61940, posted on 02-27-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Thank you gentlemen; although I wish I hadn't brought the f*cking bastard slag subject up......

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Post #61942, posted on 02-27-2016 GMT-5 hours    
I did think the rudder was larger from the photos posted earlier and looking at Rays pictures you can see the trailing edge of the BWIA aircraft when traced down meets the end of the bypass duct, whereas the trailing edge of the non-BWIA rudder ends up in the duct.
Thanks Terry, little details and such like make this site so good.

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Post #61943, posted on 02-27-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Thank you Ray. Thank you Terry. Thank you Scotty.
My complaining worked since the EE 1011 finally arrived.
Now to open it and compare to my 8 Otakis and see that there is no relationship….LOL….yeah..

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Post #61944, posted on 02-27-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Good Good nice info on my homeland bird BWIA L1011s I should be going both liveries soon.. the Sunjet and the Steelpan!!! just need some metal landing gear for them...

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Post #61971, posted on 03-01-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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Good Good nice info on my homeland bird BWIA L1011s I should be going both liveries soon.. the Sunjet and the Steelpan!!! just need some metal landing gear for them...



Holmes757, did you happen to score the green/steelpan decal from the Bandit in Poland? (and break the trade embargo )
Perhaps Nazca Decals will do it since they did the 737 and know how to. Plus they have a working relationship with Kurt's Authentic Airliners.

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Post #61977, posted on 03-01-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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Holmes757, did you happen to score the green/steelpan decal from the Bandit in Poland? (and break the trade embargo )
Perhaps Nazca Decals will do it since they did the 737 and know how to. Plus they have a working relationship with Kurt's Authentic Airliners.



No Nielsamd... I don't deal with d Bandit Alex from Poland... I happen to see one on bid @ ebay and I had to fight to win it.. plenty bidders try 2 outbid me but I won d L10 and d A340 BWIA decals..

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No Nielsamd... I don't deal with d Bandit Alex from Poland... I happen to see one on bid @ ebay and I had to fight to win it.. plenty bidders try 2 outbid me but I won d L10 and d A340 BWIA decals..



Ahhh well done! Hopefully those green Steelpans will be done one day by a bona fide decal person! The MD-83 too.

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Post #61981, posted on 03-01-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Yes I hope so too... especially the MD83s.... I really missed them... But I would bring the collection to life soon!!!!

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Post #63142, posted on 05-10-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Whoo hoo....

Getting things ever so slightly back onto the Eastern Express L1011 track. I bought two which arrived today. They look beautiful. Being a person who never had an Otaki L1011 I think I've gotten as close to having one as I'll ever get.

I have a Revell kit 1/2 done. Once it's finished I've got some good plans for the Eastern Express ones.

Today was one of my happiest modeling days when the postman knocked on the door

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Post #63144, posted on 05-11-2016 GMT-5 hours    
I got one myself last week. Its not quite the AA kit that I've got but It looks like a great build and I can't wait to get started!

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Post #63146, posted on 05-11-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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This also reinforces Terry's point:

BWIA had slightly larger/deeper rudders installed on their aircraft because they needed to lower the Vmcg airspeed to enable them to take off from shorter runways at high weights.

This was mainly for the smaller Carribean islands they served with the L1011.


Source: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/1560410



Greetings!

There is no need to lower the Vmcg (or Vmca) to operate at HIGHER weights.

Here's why. Stalling speeds are higher and higher the heavier you are, so V1, Vr and V2 are well above Vmcg, so they are not affected by the Vmcg. However, assuming that the runway is long enough to operate off of, if you can lower the Vmcg (and Vmca), you can operate at LOWER weights off of that runway than you otherwise could. Many jet airliners have minimum takeoff weights because Vmcg (and Vmca) at light weights is often higher than what is a safe flying speed for the wing, and you may have difficulty keeping the airplane from flying before it passes those speeds. A DC-8 using flaps 25 at light weights would commonly levitate into the air at light weights without the flying pilot rotating. If you look at speed charts for making out a T/O data card, you'll find that there are minimum V1 and Vr speeds below which you cannot go regardless of how light you are, and then the chart will also show weights below which T/O is prohibited. Naturally, all of this is affected by temperatures, density altitude, thrust to be used, etc. The charts correct for this, but you have to know how to derive the data in the charts. So, as you can see, it might help to have lowered minimum control speeds so you could operate out of some of these smaller airfields, and with improved control response and effectiveness on some narrow runways as a bonus.

Vmcg and Vmca are minimum control speeds ground and air in the event of the most critical engine failing, and on a four engine jet it would be #1 or #4, on the Tristar, either #1 or #3. On a DC-6, with American engines and propellers, it would be #1. Things do get more involved than this, but this is a fairly simple explanation (I hope).

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Post #67049, posted on 04-26-2017 GMT-5 hours    
was able to shoot FCD RR-engines today on ebay.de for 10€. lucky me

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Post #67065, posted on 04-27-2017 GMT-5 hours    
There are some more available
FCD RR

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Post #67066, posted on 04-27-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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There are some more available
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Seller states no shipping to the U.S.

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Post #67069, posted on 04-27-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Ahmed,

Is there any chance that you could make your engines available again?

I'd like at least a couple of sets.

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Post #67077, posted on 04-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
My L1011 was converted to a Tristar 500 and its ready to go in BWIA steelpan colors. I did all modifications on the model without buying parts

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Post #67079, posted on 04-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Hi Holmes 757, would be great to hear how you did the conversion to a 500

Decals for Aviaco F27 and AeBal MD87 would be very nice!

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Post #67092, posted on 04-29-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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Received mine this morning and, just to test the "Otaki or not?" theory, I test-fitted the Flying Colors late-type resin engines (pictured below), designed to fit the Otaki kit, on the Eastern Express kit. They are an absolutely perfect match, including the No.2 engine jetpipe, requiring no adjustment whatsoever.




at 100%. got mine today. they are exactly for the EE

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Hi Holmes 757, would be great to hear how you did the conversion to a 500



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Post #67337, posted on 05-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
News directly from the extruder. It will be the previous kit but with different engines.









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Post #67339, posted on 05-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Nice. For those of us who invested in several of the original release (and needing to mofify the engines - that's what's stalling my builds), is there any chance we could buy just these extra sprues?

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Post #67340, posted on 05-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
The same question from me on another friendly forum is still unanswered.

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Post #67341, posted on 05-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
I wonder when this will be available and how one would know they were purchasing this kit rather than an older version.

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Post #67346, posted on 05-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Excellent I am waiting too...All we need is the 500 parts and the shorten fuselage extended wings and rudder

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Post #67349, posted on 05-25-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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Post #67352, posted on 05-25-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Is it just me or does the hot section/exhaust look a bit off...just a little. Could be the angle of the photographs.

I'm in the process of modifying the number 2 engine intake with brass tubing of my EE L-1011.
I have several sets of the resin RB211s that I obtained years and years ago and will be using those for this model.
I'm planning on using the ATP EAL L-1011/DC-10 decals (thin stripe below the windows) that I've had sealed in a plastic bag for years. Am wondering/worrying if they're going to splinter when they hit water. We'll see.

Am thrilled that EE has developed the S-duct along with the engine intake inserts which eliminate the dreaded seam.
Great improvement!!

Am looking forward to this newest version's release as I will be building it with the wide EAL stripes.

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Post #67354, posted on 05-25-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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I wonder when this will be available and how one would know they were purchasing this kit rather than an older version.



Presumably from the livery - Delta for the old version and Eastern for the later one although that assumes you know there are two versions in the first place! I would imagine most modellers would want the later version unless you're doing the very earliest aircraft which in European terms means Court Line's pair and not a lot else.

It's academic for me since I already have a second kit and a set of resin engines but I wonder if this will mean a price increase. It's not exactly cheap at the moment and although it's buildable it's not Zvezda quality.

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Am thrilled that EE has developed the S-duct along with the engine intake inserts which eliminate the dreaded seam.
Great improvement!!

Jay
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Except with this S duct, you will still have a seam. But at least they're trying!

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EAL Lover :

Am thrilled that EE has developed the S-duct along with the engine intake inserts which eliminate the dreaded seam.
Great improvement!!

Jay
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Except with this S duct, you will still have a seam. But at least they're trying!



S-duct intake insert. Seamless and fits perfectly into the EE Tristar intake.


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