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Post #60054, posted on 10-17-2015 GMT-5 hours    
I'm starting a new thread on this so as not to hijack Kurt's beautiful effort.

No, I was most assuredly NOT being sarcastic in any way in my post. How on EARTH could you POSSIBLY get that the EE kit is in some way a copy of the Otaki kit? Other than the fact that both of them appear to be 1/144 scale models of the L-1011, I can see exactly no similarities.

If you're going to accuse a company of plagiarism, you need some evidence to back it up. That's a serious charge.

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Post #60058, posted on 10-17-2015 GMT-5 hours    
Jennings, Thank you very much for trying to ovoid hijacking the AA Tristar chat.

I have the Otaki kit here, and I am darn sure, you have it as well.
Please check the following parts:
The landing gear is exactly the same odd and ugly design
The "elevator actuators" on the inner lower area of the stabilizers. They are fantasy and do not exist on the real aircraft.
The shape of the #2 fan blade.
The missing bulged area ahead and below the stabilizers.
The poorly designed air condition intakes and louvers.
Last but not least, the same initial hot section of the engines.
No company would do these engines anymore on a new design, as these had been discontinued very quickly and where used on very few early Tristars only.

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Post #60065, posted on 10-17-2015 GMT-5 hours    
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I'm starting a new thread on this so as not to hijack Kurt's beautiful effort.

No, I was most assuredly NOT being sarcastic in any way in my post. How on EARTH could you POSSIBLY get that the EE kit is in some way a copy of the Otaki kit? Other than the fact that both of them appear to be 1/144 scale models of the L-1011, I can see exactly no similarities.

If you're going to accuse a company of plagiarism, you need some evidence to back it up. That's a serious charge.




Because all of the little detail engravings such as the ones on the cargo doors and cabin doors are exactly the same. And not true to the real thing. Like the 727-200- like door handle engraved into the Otaki cargo door. If you are going to start from scratch then why are these inaccuracies in the same places? All the mistakes are in the same spots. How about the lower galley window on the port side but lacking an engraving in the galley door just like Otaki? And the things Kurt mentioned above. But who cares? Stating the obvious doesn't mean I give a crap about it being that way. Better than Airfix….

I'm building eight Otakis right now…and like I said earlier, have filled almost all panel lines with superglue on all 8, and after staring at this stuff for hours I can assure it is the same.

Do I give a hoot that they may have copied it? NOPE. I could care less. As I said before, at least folks that can't afford Kurt's beauty will have an option over a overpriced piece of Airfix on eBay for example.
There can't be accusations of plagiarism when the evidence is obvious and straightforward… BUT WHO CARES! OTAKI is gone…the molds are lost..so good for EE!
I'm not here to knock the EE. Just looking at the obvious. Competition and options are good!
And good on ya Kurt, I hope you sell a lot of them and my only regret is being so far into my Otakis..

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Post #60623, posted on 12-08-2015 GMT-5 hours    

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Post #60624, posted on 12-08-2015 GMT-5 hours    
Can anybody here highlight all the areas of mistake on The Otaki L1011s or even mark it out via diagrams???

Sounds Good EE coming out with them.. I hope the parts aline properly and not like the 1/144 Boeing 757-300s.. I have two of the Otaki L1011s I too regret I didn't wait but for me there are few advantages for me buying Otaki the two airstairs which no other kit came with.. I want to depict BWIA L10s with the airstairs and with the flaps extended.. the conversion to a 500 version wasn't easy but it was the fun..

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Post #61267, posted on 01-13-2016 GMT-5 hours    
its out now
L1011

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Post #61269, posted on 01-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
The rumours was about a -500, maybe just wishful thinking.....

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Post #61272, posted on 01-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
if anyone has a look at it, surely its not a -500, does it have the newer RR short engines as shown on the box or the delivery ones like Airfix or Otaki ?

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Post #61275, posted on 01-14-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Have a search on this forum and look at the sprue shots that were posted. Some seem to think it's a copy of the old Otaki kit with its longer RR exhaust ducts that were included in that one. It's not a -500 series?

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Post #61287, posted on 01-15-2016 GMT-5 hours    
It's definitely not a 500. The exhausts, however, are the final, short, 15 degfree afterbodies

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Post #61291, posted on 01-15-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Delta only? GRRRRRRRRRRRRR......
Don't like Delta!
Other decal versions?????
Whats about the Pan Am?
I know Pan Am flew the -500 only and the kit ISN'T a -500!
But Eastern Express pre-announcement boxart was a Pan Am.
Or Eastern Express noticed the fact and adjusted...?

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Post #61299, posted on 01-15-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Perhaps Eastern Express has a -500 in the works but found the -1 variant quicker to get on the market first. The breakdown of the fuselage suggests, to me anyway, they may be thinking ahead. Patience may be in order?

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Post #61301, posted on 01-15-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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Patience may be in order?



I'm told that's a virtue, but in my experience those are boring, so I'd rather gripe

I have conclusive proof that the kit is an Otaki copy, look at the bottom right corner of the box, it says (transliterated) "Spornaya model kopiya," which can only mean "Spornaya (town) model copy." There you have it

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Post #61306, posted on 01-16-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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Perhaps Eastern Express has a -500 in the works but found the -1 variant quicker to get on the market first. The breakdown of the fuselage suggests, to me anyway, they may be thinking ahead. Patience may be in order?

Jodie Peeler



Might be an option
Had the same thoughts concerning fuselage breakdown.
Or think about to convert one into a Pan Am -500 if Eastern Express don't release a -500.
Cut down the fuselage is easy - the problem is the different wing fairing. Have no idea yet how to create it.....

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I have conclusive proof that the kit is an Otaki copy, look at the bottom right corner of the box, it says (transliterated) "Spornaya model kopiya," which can only mean "Spornaya (town) model copy." There you have it



Who cares? If EE L-1011 is an Otaki copy or not.

Not long time ago the Otaki TriStar was the "Holy Gral".
Everyone wanted it and a lot of people would pay much money for a rare copy.
Now a re-release is available at an affordable price.
Anyway, that Otaki copy is 10* times better than any Revell and / or Airfix TriStar (injection kit - not AA masterpiece).

TRANSLATION ERROR:
"Spornaya" (correct spelling: SBORNAYA) don't means "Town". Which don't make sense in this context.
"Sbornaya" means "to build", "assemble". "to handcraft" - something like that.
"Kopiya" in this case means "a true to original" copy of a real thing - not a copy of sprues or a kit-copy itself!
"Sbornaya model kopiya" is NOT A PROOF of a copied kit.
This term you can find on almost all russian kits.

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Post #61308, posted on 01-16-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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Had the same thoughts concerning fuselage breakdown.
Or think about to convert one into a Pan Am -500 if Eastern Express don't release a -500.
Cut down the fuselage is easy - the problem is the different wing fairing. Have no idea yet how to create it.....


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I have conclusive proof that the kit is an Otaki copy, look at the bottom right corner of the box, it says (transliterated) "Spornaya model kopiya," which can only mean "Spornaya (town) model copy." There you have it



Who cares? If EE L-1011 is an Otaki copy or not.

Not long time ago the Otaki TriStar was the "Holy Gral".
Everyone wanted it and a lot of people would pay much money for a rare copy.
Now a re-release is available at an affordable price.
Anyway, that Otaki copy is 10* times better than any Revell and / or Airfix TriStar (injection kit - not AA masterpiece).

TRANSLATION ERROR:
"Spornaya" (correct spelling: SBORNAYA) don't means "Town". Which don't make sense in this context.
"Sbornaya" means "to build", "assemble". "to handcraft" - something like that.
"Kopiya" in this case means "a true to original" copy of a real thing - not a copy of sprues or a kit-copy itself!
"Sbornaya model kopiya" is NOT A PROOF of a copied kit.
This term you can find on almost all russian kits.



Ah, I misdid the "Sbornaya." I only found "Spornaya" as a town near Krasnoyarsk. I know that "kopiya" means something closer to "replica," but I thought it was a good false friend to make a joke about.

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Post #61312, posted on 01-16-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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Ah, I misdid the "Sbornaya." I only found "Spornaya" as a town near Krasnoyarsk. I know that "kopiya" means something closer to "replica," but I thought it was a good false friend to make a joke about.



Hahahaha.....I had already thought of that!
That's ALWAYS the problem with written words!
No audio track, the a) serious, b) ironic, c) sarcastic*) undertone is missing - meaning often keeps undiscovered.
Bad luck! Now you had to read my smart aleck explanation!

JUST KIDDING!

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Post #61395, posted on 01-23-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Now available from Pas-decals.ru priced at approx. £19, $27, 25 euros.

Al

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Post #61527, posted on 02-02-2016 GMT-5 hours    
looking at the newly posted pics of the sprues by a fellow member Risa and can't figure out whether the moulds are based on Otaki kit or not.
Either way, I am happy that it's finally out !

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Post #61528, posted on 02-02-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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looking at the newly posted pics of the sprues by a fellow member Risa and can't figure out whether the moulds are based on Otaki kit or not.
Either way, I am happy that it's finally out !



I have now got the kit and can confirm it is a copy of the Otaki kit minus the cabin windows and double engraved panel lines .
Cheers
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Post #61529, posted on 02-02-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Hi,
I did compare these 2 kits. you can see some pics here: http://pas-decals.ru/forum/besedka/6499-vykhodu-modeli-l1011-ot-ee-posvyashchaetsya?start=27#22385
This is like %90 of otaki kit.

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Post #61530, posted on 02-02-2016 GMT-5 hours    
By the way. I have 25 EE L-1011 kits available in stock. If you looking for best price in the US please contact me. They are flying out very quickly. ;-)

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Post #61532, posted on 02-02-2016 GMT-5 hours    
thnx guys

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Post #61533, posted on 02-02-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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looking at the newly posted pics of the sprues by a fellow member Risa and can't figure out whether the moulds are based on Otaki kit or not.
Either way, I am happy that it's finally out !



I have now got the kit and can confirm it is a copy of the Otaki kit minus the cabin windows and double engraved panel lines .
Cheers
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where did you order, ebay 123rus77 ?

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Post #61534, posted on 02-02-2016 GMT-5 hours    
I got mine today, thanks Risa!
It will make a great addition to the collection.
I've always been a Tristar fan and hooray to Eastern Express for giving us a new option over the Revell / Airfix kits and at a better price.

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looking at the newly posted pics of the sprues by a fellow member Risa and can't figure out whether the moulds are based on Otaki kit or not.
Either way, I am happy that it's finally out !



I have now got the kit and can confirm it is a copy of the Otaki kit minus the cabin windows and double engraved panel lines .
Cheers
Ray


where did you order, ebay 123rus77 ?


Yes I did.

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Post #61544, posted on 02-02-2016 GMT-5 hours    
IF the EE is a copy from Otaki, its not from the molds (as they are lost !?) but from a (scanned) plastic model. But why did EE seperate the fuselage from the rear section. Is it because of -500 option ?

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Post #61549, posted on 02-03-2016 GMT-5 hours    
There are rumors that next will be late version of Tristar.

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Post #61558, posted on 02-04-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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There are rumors that next will be late version of Tristar.



Hopefully so... they did do the artwork for it and have the rear tail-fuselage share possibility after all!

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Post #61559, posted on 02-04-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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There are rumors that next will be late version of Tristar.



Hopefully so... they did do the artwork for it and have the rear tail-fuselage share possibility after all!



Possibly Pam Am? Due to unstable econ. situation there might be delays, changes or ...
I'm in constant contact with EE. If there any official news I'll let you know. ;-)

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Post #61563, posted on 02-04-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Ray, did EE include the newer Frisbe fairing on the center engine, or just the older style as Otaki had molded it? This could be the reason for the separate aft-end molding, rather than a -500 which would also require a new horizontal stab.

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Post #61588, posted on 02-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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Ray, did EE include the newer Frisbe fairing on the center engine, or just the older style as Otaki had molded it? This could be the reason for the separate aft-end molding, rather than a -500 which would also require a new horizontal stab.

Gerry



Did the L-1011-500 really have a new/different tail-plane (horizontal stabiliser)?

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Post #61591, posted on 02-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Received mine this morning and, just to test the "Otaki or not?" theory, I test-fitted the Flying Colors late-type resin engines (pictured below), designed to fit the Otaki kit, on the Eastern Express kit. They are an absolutely perfect match, including the No.2 engine jetpipe, requiring no adjustment whatsoever.


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Post #61594, posted on 02-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Ok, I think by now we've now established that the EE kit is a copy of the Otaki - if you're still in doubt or need yet more evidence then compare the sprue shots on this site. Until recently the Otaki was highly sought after with very high prices being asked on ebay and the like, so I don't really think it should be seen as hugely negative thing. It would have been nice to have had a corrected/updated injected version but we've now got a more widely available Tristar kit and no longer have to bemoan the loss of the Otaki moulds or scour auction sites looking for it.

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Post #61596, posted on 02-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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Ok, I think by now we've now established that the EE kit is a copy of the Otaki - if you're still in doubt or need yet more evidence then compare the sprue shots on this site. Until recently the Otaki was highly sought after with very high prices being asked on ebay and the like, so I don't really think it should be seen as hugely negative thing. It would have been nice to have had a corrected/updated injected version but we've now got a more widely available Tristar kit and no longer have to bemoan the loss of the Otaki moulds or scour auction sites looking for it.



I never owned an Otaki kit nor would I pay the prices being asked on eBay. I'm grateful that there is now an affordable kit available and I'll be buying a few of them.

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Post #61598, posted on 02-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
I've never owned an Otaki TriStar either and that's why I think it's not that bad a move from EE to release this model, updated would have been better but still...and I've just bought one from eBay. My first one will be either Saudia or BA Negus scheme.

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Post #61602, posted on 02-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
If you hold the fuselage of the new EE TriStar up to the light, and look along the outer surfaces, you can see the outlines of "filled in" cabin windows - with the same wrong spacing as the Otaki kit.

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Post #61613, posted on 02-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
ordered mine today also from 123rus77(ebay). was confirmed and declared as "send". shall arive between 1.march and 23.march. does it take so long from moskow to germany ?

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Post #61614, posted on 02-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
That's who I've just ordered mine from, and now marked as "despatched". I find from Russia to the UK it takes about 2 weeks.

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Post #61617, posted on 02-06-2016 GMT-5 hours    
I ordered mine from PAS Decals (pas-decals.ru) in Moscow and they took 12 days. I think I read somewhere that 123rus77 and PAS Decals are one and the same.

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Post #61762, posted on 02-15-2016 GMT-5 hours    
I ordered mine from 123rus77 via e-bay on 1/15/16 and the kit was dispatched on 1/26/16. I'm in the US and have not received mine yet. Just curious if anyone else in the US ordered one from him and how long it took to receive it? Thanks.

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Post #61815, posted on 02-18-2016 GMT-5 hours    
I just ordered one from ebay seller amodels in Buffalo Grove, Illinois. He has a few but without the Delta decals. Says decals will be available later but he takes them out saying people usually use aftermarket. Weird, but right about me, I usually use aftermarket. Mine is due in by Tuesday.

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Post #61850, posted on 02-20-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Exile: "I test-fitted the Flying Colors late-type resin engines designed to fit the Otaki kit, on the Eastern Express kit."

Which begs the question - who (and when) will the 15 degree short afterbody engine modifications be redone? Kurt and Authentic Airliners could do it, but probably won't - why would he want to compete with his own kit? It would be great to have the Flying Colors back... BRAZ or Contrails are the more likely.

I bought an Otaki from EJ at CBS models 15 years ago and also had the Flying Colors engines to go with it. Bought it for $75, sold it three years ago for $100 when I moved from Maryland to Florida.

So happy to have the new EE copy which I bought for $33 on eBay - it's the Delta release w/out the decal or instruction sheet. Happy as a pig in mud to have a L-1011 back in the stash.

Later, Doug Seeley

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Post #61851, posted on 02-20-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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Exile: "I test-fitted the Flying Colors late-type resin engines designed to fit the Otaki kit, on the Eastern Express kit."

Which begs the question - who (and when) will the 15 degree short afterbody engine modifications be redone? Kurt and Authentic Airliners could do it, but probably won't - why would he want to compete with his own kit? It would be great to have the Flying Colors back... BRAZ or Contrails are the more likely.

I bought an Otaki from EJ at CBS models 15 years ago and also had the Flying Colors engines to go with it. Bought it for $75, sold it three years ago for $100 when I moved from Maryland to Florida.

So happy to have the new EE copy which I bought for $33 on eBay - it's the Delta release w/out the decal or instruction sheet. Happy as a pig in mud to have a L-1011 back in the stash.

Later, Doug Seeley



It has been reported by another member that EE will be releasing the L1011 with the later engines.

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Post #61852, posted on 02-20-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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It has been reported by another member that EE will be releasing the L1011 with the later engines.


EE will release 500 but I don't know yet if they are planning to fix engines?
I'm currently building EE L-1011. Using Tamiya Epoxy Putty to correct engines. I have to say this is not easy project.
My 1st question to EE will be regarding engine correction! ;-)

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Post #61853, posted on 02-20-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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I just ordered one from ebay seller amodels in Buffalo Grove, Illinois. He has a few but without the Delta decals. Says decals will be available later but he takes them out saying people usually use aftermarket. Weird, but right about me, I usually use aftermarket. Mine is due in by Tuesday. Yes, I will ship them later.


You got it from my store. I packed all accurately (As much as I could). You will have original decals and instruction, as soon as package with missing parts will arrive from Moscow.
I do understand this is weird to sell incomplete new model kits. No one did this before! But, at the same time I know for sure %90 of modellers will dump these decals.
But, here is the story. I got package with few doesn Tristars in early January. Package came damaged with big hole in the box. And due to EE ships model kits disassembled (all parts packed separately from flat boxes and decals sets) some bags with parts including all instructions and decals were missing. I reported this problem to EE and they immediately dispatched missing stuff. This is 5th week I'm waiting for package from Moscow with missing details along with new lot of model kits. Today last Tristar without decals been sold out.
Fortunately I kept one for myself ;-)
One more time I have to tell you. If you find something you like in my ebay store please let me know. Over here in PM or email. I guarantee I'll offer you better price.
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Post #61854, posted on 02-20-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Hey Rishat,
No complaints. Thanks for the explanation. I guess it's cheaper for them to ship bulk like that than in big boxes of sealed kits. Still a good deal to me. I'll have to check out your eBay store.

Thanks,
Chris

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Post #61870, posted on 02-22-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Received my kit today and decided to take a few comparison pics with the Otaki kit. Other than some minor differences it really looks the same. Mine has a lot of flash, especially along the bottom seam of the fuselage halves. The rest of the parts have a little but not bad. The Otaki wings are a little longer but look the same. The panel lines are softer on the EE kit and though most are identical to the Otaki kit, some are not there. I don't know if EE somehow copied the Otaki and don't really care, I'm going to build it anyway. Other than some serious clean-up of some parts, shouldn't be too tough of a build. Now just waiting on the decals to come in from Rishat, I'll build with the kit scheme. The Otaki kit is being built as the Stargazer along with the resin Pegasus rocket.

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Post #61876, posted on 02-23-2016 GMT-5 hours    
Oh, a -500, fantastic! Flew the -500 once on TAP JNB-LIS and 26 has the decal :-)

Decals for Aviaco F27 and AeBal MD87 would be very nice!

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Post #61900, posted on 02-25-2016 GMT-5 hours    
BWIA 500s was the bird of my homeland I am looking for BWIA L1011 Decals I presently have two Otaki Kits I had to extend the wingtips and redo the engine nozzles of both including the tail....

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Post #61901, posted on 02-25-2016 GMT-5 hours    
BWIA's L-1011-500s had a wider chord rudder to meet their more exacting airfield requirements......

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