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      Post #59934, posted on 10-01-2015 GMT-5 hours    
      Has the 1:144 Revell 737-800 joined the ranks of rare kits? If ebay is a reliable indicator, it would seem so...whereas in the fairly recent past one could find at least 5-10 listings, typically priced in the US$15.00-25.00 range, there is at present, one (in Air Berlin box) -- at an asking price of $60.00! It has not been uncommon over the past few months for a "Revell 737" search to produce no results for the 1:144 kit.

      So, has the Revell 1:144 737-800 gone from readily available at a reasonable price to "rare kit" at price to match 'just that fast?'

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      Post #59936, posted on 10-01-2015 GMT-5 hours    
      Squadron lists it as "In stock soon" for less than $15:

      http://www.squadron.com/1-144-Revell-Germany-Boeing-737-800-Air-Berlin-p/rg4202.htm

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      Post #59937, posted on 10-01-2015 GMT-5 hours    
      Some eBay prices are just ridiculous.. The Revell 737 is not rare at all, though there are some releases that are worth more than others. The most recent Haribo's are readily available (at least where I live) while the Ryanair boxing is worth twice as much.
      If you want to spend that much money on a 737NG and you don't care about decals or transparent windows the AA kit is a much better option.

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      Post #59939, posted on 10-01-2015 GMT-5 hours    
      It's typical "set your own price" salesmanship of the sort eBay makes easy. Somebody has something to sell and they think they're sitting on a gold mine because another one like it isn't being offered, and once in a while somebody who's not as familiar with the market will bite on it. (I write as someone who's probably paid a little too much on a "buy it now" or two myself.)

      Wild eBay asking prices are one of those topics alongside the crazy prices you see sometimes through Amazon.com, or through some of the rare kit websites. The seller sets the price and the market determines the rest. I'm personally amused to see high asking prices on "rare" kits that are recent issues, both readily available for cheap at hobby shops not far from here.

      As the Atlanta banker Mills Lane was fond of saying, "It's a wonderful world!"

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      Post #59940, posted on 10-01-2015 GMT-5 hours    
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      ...Wild eBay asking prices are one of those topics alongside the crazy prices you see sometimes through Amazon.com...

      Jodie Peeler



      Speaking of wild prices and amazon.com... if one 'must have' a Revell Blue Haribo 737-800 it can be had there for a 'mere' US$1,392.41...plus $4.49 shipping. Also see the same thing with some of the aviation books listed at amazon...the very same book/edition in the very same condition can be had from as little as <$1.00 from one seller while another has it for as much as >$1000.00.

      Would be interesting to know if anyone has ever actually paid hundred$ or even $1K more than necessary for the identical product...and why do some sellers even bother to list a product for hundreds$ or even a thousand$ more than their competitors whose prices they can see as easily as you and I? Do they actually think there's a snowball's chance anyone will pay their asking price???

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      Post #59941, posted on 10-01-2015 GMT-5 hours    
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      Squadron lists it as "In stock soon" for less than $15:



      Hmmm...wonder how much 'stock' (no pun intended) we can put in that ever-ambiguous term "in stock soon" inasmuch as the Air Berlin kit (illustrated on Squadron website) has long since been superseded by the Haribo kits... has Squadron maybe come across a large leftover stash somewhere that will take some time for them to receive?

      Always curious as to how out of production kits become future retail availability 'releases.'

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      Post #59944, posted on 10-02-2015 GMT-5 hours    
      Honestly I am looking for Revell 737s too they are too pricey on Ebay..& if you lucky to win one @ a reasonable price on Ebay... I emailed an official of Revell couple of months ago & they said they have crease production of the 737s & A340s I tried to get them to keep the kits on the shelf but they said no..

      a copy of an email regarding Revell's 737s & A340s

      Dear Holmes,

      many thanks for your mail and your interest in our civilian planes. Itīs part of our product politics, that me cancel a model, where the sales became less than the minimum sales we need to keep the item in the range. After some years we will re-issue these items again, but with a different outfit and with different box and decal. Actually both mentioned planes are not planned to be re-introduced, when this will be, we canīt tell you today. But they will. Please keep watching our range also in the next couple of years, one day you will find one of the mentioned items in our re-issue range of that year.

      Kindly with best regards

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      Post #65744, posted on 01-26-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      All right, guys: 15 months later on this topic... NOW is the Revell 738 a "rare kit"? I've been looking for one or more copies intermittently these last few months, and cannot seem to find them available anywhere. Not on ebay, not on google, not at my local hobby shop. I have even browsed the various "for sale" sections across numerous modeling forums and have come up with nothing.

      I can still remember 10 years ago when I bought a dozen of them from Squadron for $9 each... Those were the days!

      Anybody want to sell me one, by the way?

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      Post #65745, posted on 01-26-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Must be, I just sold two Revell 737-800s on eBay for $40 each. At the same time, other kit prices seem to be really depressed, most going for like $10 when you would expect them to sell in the 30 to 40 dollar range.

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      Post #65746, posted on 01-26-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      There's just no reason for anyone to pay that much money for that kit (but good for you!). It simply isn't "rare" by any definition.

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      Post #65747, posted on 01-26-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      It depends how do you define "RARE".
      Anyway, a very good and always working marketing trick.
      Reduce supply and rise demand intentionally.
      "Limited Edition", "Only for short time!"
      ...food industry loves that!

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      Post #65748, posted on 01-26-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      If anybody's looking for a Revell 737-800 kit to build, drop me a PM and I can make you a deal on one (or perhaps two, as I've forgotten how many are in my stash).

      EDIT: Kits now sold. Thanks, folks!

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      Post #65898, posted on 02-04-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      One more time !! RARE is a subjective term. ( Merriam Webster defines Rare as "uncommon") Probably in our argot, more appropriate would be " SCARCE" ( deficiency in quantity as compared to demand) Up until a few months ago I had a stash of 18 of the Revell kit # 4202, the -800 with the Air Berlin box art. I bought these when they first came out at local hobby shops for between $9.99 and $11.99 each. I put them up for bid starting at $30.00 and each and every one went for more than $30. I was not gouging.... since the prospective bidders were free to bid what they wanted, the " MARKET" determined the ultimate price because the kits were getting "scarce" and were in demand. I am now in the position of buyer and cannot buy one reasonably, not because they are "rare" ( they are out there) but because I can't afford them because the demand has priced them out of my budget. I now have 1 partially built baggie kit and 2 complete kits from flea market sales. The free market at work., God Bless America

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      Post #65903, posted on 02-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      by the time Zvezda 738 is released the price of the Revell 737-800 with drop

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      Post #65914, posted on 02-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      The upper limit on the Revell kit price should be close to the price of an AA 738, but we'll see....

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      Post #65918, posted on 02-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I seriously doubt Revell is doing anything nefarious or cynical with supplies of the 737-800, trying to jack up the price or demand, or any such thing. It's more likely the latest production run has sold out (and let's not forget, you not only have to press the plastic parts, but you also have to order decals, order boxes, get instructions printed up, make sure licenses are still in effect, etc), and we're in that period of scarcity before it comes back. Unless the tool is irreparably damaged (which I seriously doubt), Revell will bring the kit back when it gauges that the market is ready, probably with a new decal.

      As enthusiasts this community is much more sensitive to these boom/bust cycles than the average consumer, and forums like this contribute to the perception. It's like that psychological effect (and I forget the name of it, but I'm not a psychologist) where you never really pay attention to silver cars until you end up buying a car that happens to be silver, and after that you can't help noticing just how many silver cars there are out there.

      It will be interesting to compare the Revell kit to the new Zvezda kit, and it'll also be interesting to see if Revell reissues its kit to compete with the Zvezda offering. For my part, I'm finding it difficult to believe the Revell kit is 17 years old. It only seems like yesterday it was the newest and greatest airliner kit on the block, and that I couldn't wait to get my (much younger and more enthusiastic) hands on one. How the time does fly.

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      Post #65919, posted on 02-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I noticed the prices of these things when browsing ebay a while back. Who'd have thought it? Similarly, when did the Minicraft Dc-8 become worth over $100??


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      Post #65921, posted on 02-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Just the asking price does not determine the value. Whether someone will pay the price determines if it is worth it. If a buyer pays $100 for that dc8, then that is the new standard, until someone buys one for $30.

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      Post #65922, posted on 02-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      It's like that psychological effect (and I forget the name of it, but I'm not a psychologist) where you never really pay attention to silver cars until you end up buying a car that happens to be silver, and after that you can't help noticing just how many silver cars there are out there.

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      I think Freud identified that syndrome as " silver car awareness" Actually it's "latent observational acuity" and we all suffer from it from time to time. My wife says that right after we got married 44 yrs ago, she couldn't help notice how many other blond, blue eyed Irish guys there were. Now she sees a bunch of blue eyed Irish guys. c'est la vie

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      Post #65933, posted on 02-06-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      It's like that psychological effect (and I forget the name of it, but I'm not a psychologist) where you never really pay attention to silver cars until you end up buying a car that happens to be silver, and after that you can't help noticing just how many silver cars there are out there.

      Jodie Peeler



      I think Freud identified that syndrome as " silver car awareness" Actually it's "latent observational acuity" and we all suffer from it from time to time. My wife says that right after we got married 44 yrs ago, she couldn't help notice how many other blond, blue eyed Irish guys there were. Now she sees a bunch of blue eyed Irish guys. c'est la vie



      When I got a silver car, I started noticing how ugly all the maroon ones were

      As far as your wife seeing other blue-eyed Irish guys, Freud had plenty of other theories concerning that

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      Post #65970, posted on 02-09-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I wonder if Revell has done some market research related to their A320 family sales since Zvezda's version came out, and decided it was financially sound to just let Zvezda have the market share instead of trying to compete using an older kit.

      On the other hand, maybe it is just a decal licensing thing... They brought back the 744 with the Iron Maiden scheme, after all, which I'm sure was cheaper to license than a major airline.

      Do you guys remember the purple box kits from Hasegawa? I kind of wish manufacturers would just do that instead of selling us a set of silly yellowed decals or refusing to stamp out the kit at all.

      But, hey, if they want my opinion I'm sure they'll call me!

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      Post #65973, posted on 02-09-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Do you guys remember the purple box kits from Hasegawa? I kind of wish manufacturers would just do that instead of selling us a set of silly yellowed decals or refusing to stamp out the kit at all.




      I'm with you on this. I can't remember the last time I used the kit decals....

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      Post #65983, posted on 02-09-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      We specialists buy airliner kits for the plastic and discard the decals, but mainstream modelers buy airliner kits because the decal engages them. I know of at least one modeler in my immediate vicinity, a specialist in 1:48 oddball military subjects, who's about the last person I would expect to build an airliner. But when the Ed Force One kit came out, he got it and got really enthusiastic about it and started picking my brain for advice. What mattered to him was the decal, and that's what sold him (and countless others) the kit.

      I too liked the Hasegawa purple/blue box kits, and bought quite a few back in the day. But unless a specialist supplier commissions a run of them, we probably won't see such a thing happen again anytime soon. Mainstream modelers would buy them and be unhappy that there's no decals inside, plus the airliner decal business has changed substantially since back then. In the days when Liveries Unlimited and Avigraphics and such were routinely putting out new products that made their way into retail stores, it might have worked, but between the "too many products chasing too few dollars" conundrum and the airlines cracking down on trademark protection driving the business kind of underground, and a shift from brick-and-mortar sales to "you have to know where to look online for the decals you want," I don't think a purple-box strategy would work unless somebody commissioned a run of them. I think the closest we'll get these days will be the decal/kit packages of the sort Ray at 26 offers.

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