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      Post #56790, posted on 02-18-2015 GMT-5 hours    
      With Airfix reissuing the b-707 kit. Any improvements made this time around.

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      Post #56793, posted on 02-18-2015 GMT-5 hours    
      Seriously? The mold is over 50 years old. I very much doubt it.

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      Post #56796, posted on 02-18-2015 GMT-5 hours    
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      Seriously? The mold is over 50 years old. I very much doubt it.



      Me, too. It represents a series 400 aircraft, which was only used by BOAC, IIRC.

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      Post #56797, posted on 02-18-2015 GMT-5 hours    
      The -400 was used by BOAC (and by British Airways after the merger), Air India, El Al, Lufthansa, Varig, and Eagle/Cunard Eagle, among others.

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      Post #56798, posted on 02-18-2015 GMT-5 hours    
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      Seriously? The mold is over 50 years old. I very much doubt it.



      Me, too. It represents a series 400 aircraft, which was only used by BOAC, IIRC.



      I would bet that they will not change/fix/modify anything on that kit. So many times you'll hear that a reissue has been cleaned up or fixed and it is only rarely true, and when it is true, the company making it generally will tell you that they did.

      The 707-420 was ordered new from Boeing by Lufthansa (-430), BOAC (-436), Air India (-437), VARIG (-441), El Al (-458) and British Eagle (-465).

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      PS: Apparently Jodie and I were writing these posts at the same time!

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      Post #56800, posted on 02-18-2015 GMT-5 hours    
      It's a pity that Airfix doesn't make a new mold.They are doing a lot of new molds in 1/72! And they are very nice.

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      Post #56802, posted on 02-18-2015 GMT-5 hours    
      I would really like to see Airfix reissue the DC-9.

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      Post #56807, posted on 02-18-2015 GMT-5 hours    
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      I would really like to see Airfix reissue the DC-9.



      Amen to that! With all of its (minor) faults, I'm still fond of it.

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      Post #56808, posted on 02-18-2015 GMT-5 hours    
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      I would really like to see Airfix reissue the DC-9.



      Amen to that! With all of its (minor) faults, I'm still fond of it.



      Yes! I'll even put up with the lobe crease and engine pylons...

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      Post #56811, posted on 02-19-2015 GMT-5 hours    
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      The -400 was used by BOAC (and by British Airways after the merger), Air India, El Al, Lufthansa, Varig, and Eagle/Cunard Eagle, among others.

      Jodie Peeler



      Apparently my recall function has malfunctioned. :-)

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      Post #56833, posted on 02-20-2015 GMT-5 hours    
      Hey everyone,

      If you, like me, would like to see Airfix update their molds, go to their website and say so. Manufacturers use mathematical formulas when they get requests for products along these lines....if we have X number of people requesting this item, we assume that there is some multiple of X number of people that would like it also. I have responded to their surveys encouraging them to update their 727, 737 and 707 kits to modern standards. Hey, they updated their DC-3/C-47 already! Imagine a 727/200 built to current Airfix standards....a dream come true!

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      Post #56834, posted on 02-20-2015 GMT-5 hours    
      I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you...

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      Post #56835, posted on 02-20-2015 GMT-5 hours    
      If you're after an accurate 707-400, your best bet might be to grab a bucket of popcorn and hang around the new kits section in the Q3 timeframe ;)

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      Post #56836, posted on 02-21-2015 GMT-5 hours    
      Uh, ohhh. Revell 1/144 707-430??????

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      Post #56853, posted on 02-21-2015 GMT-5 hours    
      My opinion of the Airfix 707-400 is that the nose and fuselage is nice (it has the crease line) but the wings are just a little too thick. They actually reproduced the horizontal stabilizer fuselage fairings fairly well too. The worst part is the engines - too short and inlets too thick, and not tapered enough. Of course, the Conway daisy petal exhausts could have been a bit more detailed (the ones in the kit almost resemble gears!) but not too many manufacturers seem to want to tackle those complex areas. (I was however very impressed that Minicraft did tackle the old-style exhaust pipes with their 707-300 turbojet engines and Roden did also with their 720 turbojets, albeit a bit on the large side. It's a challenge at 1/144 scale but it can be done.)

      If they were to re-tool it, those are the areas that I would hope they fixed. But as mentioned above, it does not seem likely that it will happen.

      Also, were the molds permanently modified to make the "snap kit" version? I have one of those.

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      Post #56854, posted on 02-21-2015 GMT-5 hours    
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      Also, were the molds permanently modified to make the "snap kit" version? I have one of those.



      Yes, they were. Steel tooling _cannot_ be impermanently modified, and there is only a single set of Airfix 707 tooling.

      In this case, the modifications were minor (engines only, if I remember correctly) and merely enabled Airfix to make the useless marketing claim that inexperienced kids (their main market in the 1970s and early 80s, and one rapidly draining away as disappointment with plastic kits swelled and early computer games flooded stores) could push-fit the kit into a model. (Cement was still needed, as it happens, so the whole marketing premise was a lie, but that's another can of worms...) I seem to remember the release of the period also featured hideous stickers instead of decals.

      Now, if you want proper push-fit kits, just look at the amazing (no irony intended!) items offered by Tomytec of Japan!

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      Post #56856, posted on 02-21-2015 GMT-5 hours    
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      Now, if you want proper push-fit kits, just look at the amazing (no irony intended!) items offered by Tomytec of Japan!


      Yes I have bunch of gashapon kits on my shelves (mostly military). Where else are you going to get a 1/144 MU-2 or Grumman Goose? With clear windows too!

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      Post #56858, posted on 02-21-2015 GMT-5 hours    
      The wings are definitely bloated, and the nose (really the whole fwd fuselage) is far too skinny and pointy in plan view.

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      Post #56859, posted on 02-21-2015 GMT-5 hours    
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      the wings are just a little too thick.


      This is possibly the understatement of the week. My impression of the Airfix 707 wing is that Airfix thought that Boeing had designed the 707 wing to beat the air mercilessly into submission!

      All kidding aside, except for the wing and engines, other parts of the kit were perhaps not that bad by early 1960's standards, but in the climate of modeling today, it falls horribly short and is probably best forgotten. The Frog kit of that era looked like the results of a photo taken broadside with a 24MM lens with its proportions looking terribly off too. Probably no kit of that era got it really good, but perhaps the Revell was the least worst of the bunch, but it was based on strictly a -123 airframe, and the -123B variant had none of the modifications to the wing and stabs updated. The engine exhausts looked pretty good on the original -123 JT3C-6 variant though.

      The Minicraft offerings are not much better when you consider the awful forward fuselage and the crude molding results for engines and wing trailing edges, not to mention its overall crude impression in general.

      I would say the poor 707 has been badly shortchanged in the model world, the Nitto/Entex/Anmark/Doyusha 1/100 kit being about the best there is, but it IS pretty good, although the engines are slightly undersized and the exhausts are off in shape.

      Long live the 707!

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      Post #56893, posted on 02-24-2015 GMT-5 hours    
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      Uh, ohhh. Revell 1/144 707-430??????


      Not that I'm aware. Just grab your popcorn and let's see.

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      Post #56981, posted on 02-28-2015 GMT-5 hours    
      I will add your inputs to my Airfix 707 notes as I still have some to build. It is, after all, the only -400 available in 1/144 (as far as I know) and can be built as a turbojet -300 with the right engines. We all know that the turbojet -300/-400 series had a wing different from the -100 and -320B/C series.

      I also found my old Airfix 707 notes which read, in part:
      Virtues: has crease line, no raised or scribed lines (which is good at this scale), easy to detail. Landing gear is fairly well represented but the wheels do not look like production aircraft . . .

      The engines and thick wings were already discussed, as was the nose.

      One thing I'd like to add is that the cut-out windows on this mold are pretty good. For those of us who prefer cut-out windows over decals, I think this kit (and the Airfix 727-200) have some of the best cut-out windows.

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      I would really like to see Airfix reissue the DC-9.



      Amen to that! With all of its (minor) faults, I'm still fond of it.

      Me too! Don't know why. Maybe because it's so simple - easy to modify? But with some work, the Airfix DC-9's look nice when completed. Of course, Kurt's is much, much better.

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      Post #56982, posted on 02-28-2015 GMT-5 hours    
      Greetings!

      I like cut-out (open) windows myself. Decals just don't cut it, but I have to admit, they are easier and allow for the look of curtains, window shade slides, etc. One problem with them is when they have them printed on the cheatline with emergency exits included and the locations are wrong. Case in point, the Airfix DC-9-30. Airfix scribed the emergency exits one window too far to the rear, so most decals have them matching the Airfix goof. There should be 13 windows aft, and 21 windows forward of the emergency exits on a DC-9-30, including blanked windows. Also, the galley door is not positioned right. It's too far to the rear. The rear edge of the door should align with the rear edge of the passenger door, so this causes problems vis a vis windows and door outlines.

      Bottom line is ALWAYS make cheatlines, windows and exit outlines SEPARATELY.

      I don't mind a cockpit cap, but only if it fits reasonably well.

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