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      Post #55196, posted on 11-17-2014 GMT-5 hours    


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      (Ben-BFC Collection)
      Thanks to an archived interview that Ben (President- Braniff Preservation Group) has uncovered, we now know that H & G Hew Green's more commonly used name (light Panagra Green) was actually correct! Whether LPG was in fact the actually planned Panagra Green for the new DC-8-62 scheme is not clear but it would make sense if it was, being that the color had been approved by Panagra. Though Harper & George's contract with BI, signed in January 1967, was to create a series of new BOLD colors, since LPG had already been formulated but never used, it would be a 'new' color!
      ____________________________BEST OF........... LIGHT PANAGRA GREEN_________________________

      For our first "BEST OF", we turn to our private photo collection to show N7278, the first of (2) Boeing A/C deliveries in LPG, during February 1967. Both N7278 and N7100-707-327C, were delivered just days apart. Chris recalls LPG was very close to Testors #1124. Surprisingly, LPG turns out to be very difficult to capture on film, putting it alongside Ochre! ALL of our 'BEST OF's had to be corrected to some degree. We could find only (1) photo that was a quality LPG (Reginald Rowe-AirlineFan.com shot of N7100 taking off at Boeing).

      (Nashvillememorabillandc)
      This ebay photo shows a nice close-up of N7290, an original DKPG, that was re-painted in LPG. It wasn't until Dark Panagra Green was dropped in late 1967, that LPG began to come into it's own and especially in 1969, when (11) 2nd-hand 727-100's joined the BI fleet, that LPG began to be one of the major domestic colors in the final 'JB' years. This photo was taken through the airport tinted window (you can see the inside ceiling light at the top right).

      This Bob Polaneczky photo of N1545 is showing a very late One-11 from August 1971. The One-11's fate was sealed in BI's 1970 fleet re-organization plans, along with the disposing of the L-188's (April 27, 1969 was the last Electra 'JB' flight.) Within a few months, N1545 would trade-in it's LPG for Allegheny Blue!)

      N7014 would become one of most photographed 'JB's and Hans Melin photographed it in 1972 in Europe. The -327C was most likely the only 707-327C to get the final 'official' 'JB' revision, having the White engine paint removed. On it's return from MAC work, the A/C was to be one of the main BI charter jets and appears in photos from just about everywhere. N7100 was always in Light Panagra Green and most likely is the most photographed LPG!
      _________________________________COMMON ERROR PHOTO_______________________________

      This 1969 photo of N7100 at Yokota AB, during it's MAC assignment, shows what was more of the LPG look in most photos! A perfect example from the www.gonavy.jp site, that shows how what should have been a great photo has been ruined by the film tint. Sadly, 95% of the LPG photos you come across will show a dark green, lighter than DKPG but close enough that you may not be sure which of the (2) Panagra Greens it actually is!
      ____________________PAINTING YOUR........ 727-100 1969-71 (Lease and Purchases)______________
      The 2nd-hand '727 shopping spree' in 1969 was a result of the planned 1970 BI Fleet plan. The L-188's were to be taken out of service, as well as the One-11's which BI felt were too small for Braniff's growth. The One-11's would hang on until late 1971, while the Electra's were gone by April 1969. The April 1969 727-227 order was also responsible for 3 727-100 leases through Boeing, until the (2) -227's arrived in June 1970. We will cover the 727 additions in groups with the major paintjob differences....

      __________________________________AIR WEST (3) 1969-70________________________________

      There are posted photos of (2) of the (3) Air West 727-193's. Mel Lawrence's photo shows our LPG Eric 727 Profile A/C. N898PC was the first lease A/C to arrive (Feb. 1, 1969) all 3 were on 1-yr leases. N898PC was painted in the basic 1966-67 delivery style and it's only difference appears to be the missing "Boeing 727" engine decal. BI was very meticulous about using these decals and they would turn out to be major ID in determining whether BI or a contract painter did the work!

      This Bob Garrard photo shows N2979G-Red, the 2nd of the -193 leases to arrive and there are 2-differences; the un-painted rudder/tail cone and the 'knock-off' Boeing 727 engine decal which turned out to be a surprise important contract paintjob ID!

      (A) was the normal decal that came from Boeing and appeared in 2-styles. Most airlines used this version or the 'hollow' style. (B) turned out to be a surprise that to us and it appears to be related to 'contract' paintjobs. We believe it may have been a way to avoid trademark issues with Boeing. It only appears on N7297G and (4) of the (5) ex-Frontier -191's that BI purchased in 1969. As of now, there are no known photos on N2969G-LPG, this -193, just 2-yrs later while on lease to Alaska Airlines, was lost with all 111 passengers and crew, when it crashed into a mountainside on September 4, 1971..........
      ____________________________________BOEING (3) 1969-70__________________________________

      This Mel Lawrence photo shows N304BN-Lime Green, a -116 that was a NTU for Lan-Chile. These (3) leases were all through Boeing and were part of the 727-227 order deal. N302BN-H & G Dark Blue was a Wardair -11 and N303BN-Ochre, might be the most interesting, as it was the 727C prototype that had been re-turned from it's time with Piedmont Airlines-there are no know photos of this A/C on it's BI lease.
      ______________________________FRONTIER (5) 1969 PURCHASES______________________________

      (www.planespotters blogspot.com)
      Without a doubt the most interesting 727-100 1969 additions would be the (5) -191's that BI took over the financing with Frontier's lender. N299BN arrived first in April 1969, some 8-months before the other (4) would arrive. The fact that this 1969 photo shows no 'Boeing 727' engine decal is interesting. This A/C would be the only 'JB' of the (5) that appeared in the basic 'look'. Who did the paintjob is a mystery, though the engine looks similar to N898PC.

      Bob Garrard's photo show what would turn out to be 'best of the worst' of the (4) Nov./Dec. -191 arrivals! Note the 'knock-off' Boeing 727 decal. The most obvious issue is what appeared to be 'crooked' BI tail logos! ALL (4) of these -191's also have the 'knock-off' Boeing 727 decal and a large un-painted front edge on the tail. At first we thought this may have been the final 'official-JB' 727 revision but we could find NO later Dallas re-paints with this alteration?

      Luckily it was our "LS" Tech Adviser (retired Boeing Engineer), who figured out the "crooked BI's"! The contract painter was using only right-side BL stencils and 'flipping' them for use on the left-side! Who and why is a mystery but we have a theory for both.

      We know that in 1966, Braniff leased an ex-Cathay Pacific L-188 (N16816) from Frederick B. Ayer and Associates in 1966 for 1-yr and that they did the paintjob, which used a much smaller BI logo!

      F.B. Ayer reportedly had a reputation for not always following instructions to the letter. Could it be the by using only 1-side they could bill BI for the cost of purchasing both sides? Mr. Ayer did run into legal tax issues later on in the 1980's and had to forfeit millions in property to settle. Just saying!

      George Hamlin captured N298BN-Red in 1971 at JFK and the usual ID's are there!The 4-191's; N298BN-H & G New Orange and N300BN-Lime Green, along with N297BN and N301BN, definitely are the most unique 'JB' subjects for modelers.
      __________________________________BWIA 727-78 (3) 1971________________________________

      The last 727-100 purchases in the 'JB'-era would arrive in early 1971, in the famous BWIA 'trade' with (4) 727-227's going to BWIA for (3) fairly corroded 727-78's! Reportedly there was some money also exchanged in the deal. (2) of the (3) -78's would be painted by Dallas in the normal style; N307BN-LPG is shown in this 1973 Pete Nicholson photo and was N305BN-Red. N306BN would be a bit of a pre- 2-Tone peek!

      Luckily Bob Garrard captured N306BN-H & G New Orange in March 1972. We believe that N306BN was the most corroded and entered service later than the other 2-78's and this may be why it does not have it's Black Mask!

      We believe that the Black was not used as in June 1971, BI began painted A/C in the new 2-Tone scheme, in preparation for the 'official' September 1971 announcement of the new BI 'look'. We are using this photo to indicate how the front of the (2) November 1971 Allegheny 727-2B7's might have looked (They will be covered in detail in an upcoming chapter)
      ______________________________________JB RATING______________________________________


      (Bob Garrard)
      (The JB Rating for the Boeing delivered 727(C) are posted in Chapter #9)

      1) "PASTEL" 1956-66: NR

      2) "H & G" 1967-69: NR

      3) "HIGH-LINE 1969-71: EXCELLENT-'the most interesting period for any 'JB' 727 fan with ALL the H & G colors plus some interesting details that can be added. though nearly 65% of the 1969 727 additons were either Red or Light Panagra Green, some very significant subjects are possible, like N306BN and the last 'JB' in service N7277-Panagra Yellow-1974!'

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      Post #66323, posted on 03-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I came across this shot of N898PC in Harper and George 'New' green. This is a rare action shot. Originally a Pacific Airlines aircraft, BN leased it from Air West from Feb. 01, 1969 to Feb 05, 1970. Despite the pea-soupish green tint of the emulsion, I thought it was worth showing for posterity. I am not sure of the locale, but leaves turning on those hills suggest Fall '69 for the time frame.


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      Post #66325, posted on 03-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Looks like Omaha.

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      Post #66339, posted on 03-06-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Duncan:

      Nice Find! It's a shame that the film tint from back in the day really distorted the true colors. The Air West leases had the white rudders which by this time BI was removing the paint from on their own 727's. Ben form the BI Preservation Group is still waiting for the "JB" chips from Boeing-he now has the 2-Tone and Ultra chips.






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      Post #66359, posted on 03-08-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi John,

      I went back through this thread and the shots on the Boeing line really show how attractive the New Green really was.

      Those 'JB' chips will be a real motherlode. Fresh paint, natural lighting, and digital cams will finally set the record straight. Occasionally when I am out and about, I will see cars or buildings painted in shades very reminiscent of the BN colors. In fact, there are one or two apartment buildings/condos with what I no realize is OCHRE paint, with that distinct mustard-yellow tinge. I wonder if that color is coming back in style.

      Thanks to TWA Brat for identifying the location. The rolling hills threw me off since I thought Nebraska was flat as a sheet of glass!

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      Post #66366, posted on 03-08-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      The rolling hills in the photo are in Iowa, across the Missouri River. So you can hang on to that notion of Nebraska's flatness.

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      Post #66373, posted on 03-08-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Duncan:

      Ben's going to have the various chips analyzed eventually, so someday we should have some excellent information! We have an Air West (1968-71) "LS" in the works and they used Ochre in (2) of the (4) tail combos, so here we go again with Ochre!





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      Post #66388, posted on 03-09-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      John,

      That's great to hear regarding Air West. IMHO, that 1968 design of theirs was one of the best of the era, but being a smaller regional carrier it did not get the recognition it deserved.

      In the context of the Braniff discussion - ochre and the like - what is interesting is the Air West ochre did not come out looking coffee brown the way Braniff's did. It retained more of a gold look.

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      Post #66390, posted on 03-09-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Duncan:

      We're very excited about the Air West "LS"! For some reason the 1968-71 Air West-Hughes Air West period is rarely covered in any detail! They usually go from the pre-merger to the 1972 Hughes Airwest and it turns out there's quite a good story to tell!! A few Air West stations were quite a problem with some criminal acts against some fellow employees! We actually opened up some old wounds with some of our questions on the RW Facebook but it's part of what happened so should be told.....We have Lake Central's 1965-66 Jet search "LS" up next......



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      Post #66457, posted on 03-15-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      John,

      I could never understand why the Air West 1968-71 is not covered better. The livery and design was way ahead of its time, using the first of what one might call the 'minimalist', later Eurowhite, schemes, that are all the rage these days.

      Maybe the merger itself was not so good-natured between the airlines and the respective employees who comprised Air West, the way Northwest/Republic went almost 20 years later.

      During the Top Banana days, Dassault heavily pitched the Mercure and offered to build RW a maintenance facility, but this never panned out.

      Speaking of jet search for local carriers, Bonanza wanted BAC 111s but were forced to get the DC-9 as a condition on a loan. The -9 was fine, but interesting that Vegas could have been the home of screaming Speys, morphing into Top Banana 111's. Central Airlines out of Ft. Worth (screaming Dart 600s) ordered DC-9-15s but the order was nixed on merger with Frontier. I had heard that Lake Central wanted 737s, but I may be wrong. I suppose we'll hear the story.

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      Post #66471, posted on 03-16-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Duncan:

      Our upcoming Lake Central "LS" will cover all the details on their 1965-66 'Jet' search and the eventual 737C order as well as the pair of 727's they signed up to lease before the 737's arrived but those 727's ended up with Piedmont when Lake Central backed out of the lease deal due to the Nord 262 problems! We also will cover the RARE One-Eleven 400 (P)assenger/(F)reighter that was a prospect for them! Most people didn't even realize the One-Eleven PF had been a BAC option since 1963!!! (no one ever ordered it-though later Oman did fit a larger cargo door to their (3) of 475's).



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      Post #67017, posted on 04-23-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      A misconception with the Light Panagra Green has come down over the years: namely, the incorrect notion that it was intended as a replacement for the Dark Panagra Green, the main reason being the difficulty reading the black BN titles against the dark green. This may have been an advantage of LPG, but from the convo in this thread, it is clear that LPG and DPG were envisioned to coexist from day one, with LPG actually being applied to an airframe before any DPG.

      Regarding 111 N1545, which ended its BN career in LPG, it is suggested that this ship was also in DPG and Lime Green in its earlier years. If so, it may be the only ship which appeared in all three green shades (if you don't include turquoise, N1545 being light blue at first).

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      Post #67469, posted on 06-11-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Here is another Inflight 200 capture, this time H&G New Green on N7100. According to your lists, there were no 707-327Cs in the Dark Panagra Green, despite some 'ERROR' cases where it may appear so.

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      Post #67470, posted on 06-11-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Just wondering if the photos of these models might reveal a slightly different JB color if they were taken outdoors in sunlight, like all of the 1/1 scale airplane photos that have been posted. Just a thought.

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      Post #67473, posted on 06-11-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      TWA Brat,

      I wouldn't be surprised. All light sources, including the sun, have a characteristic spectrum. If certain wavelengths (colors) are not present, or are weak in in the source, that color will not be reflected.

      At any rate, if comparisons are made between multiple models, they should be illuminated in the same environment, so differences in the shades can be noted. The greens and the blues are the most problematic, even to the naked eye (no emulsion or film to complicate things).

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      Post #67478, posted on 06-12-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Duncan:

      That Inflight model is in Light Panagra Green- (New Green). The Light Panagra Green and Dark Panagra Green names were adopted 'unofficially' years later by BI fans. Officially, in the BI given names there was only (1) Panagra Green, the dark tone (the actual Panagra DC-8 Green). The lighter Green was the planned version that Panagra was going to use on their new -62 color schemes. This was officially called 'New Green' and that's the color that the Inflight 707 diecast is in. Only in later years was the Light Panagra Green and Dark Panagra Green names created and these were never official though they have become the popular and confusing used terms. N1800 was painted in DKPG of course and there are a number of dood photos of it online. What we don't know at this point is how N1807, the only BI -62CF was delivered. We have no early color photos of it! We think it was sent to work on a nighty South America cargo route to Miami which seems to be the logical reason that so far there are no color photos. N7072 was the only verified 707-227 painted in DKPG as this still from a video is the only film of it so far! When the 2-colors are side by side, it's much easier to see how different they were but the film of the 1960's was tricky, especially when it comes to the "JB" Greens and Blues....

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      Post #67479, posted on 06-12-2017 GMT-5 hours    

      Here's our recreation of N1807 that Eric did (one of his best as he added in the cargo door with the correct -CF window arrangement!!), as it might have looked upon delivery in DKPG! It's become one of my favorite "JB" colors but it tended to become 'flat' looking rather quickly! For modelers though, a great looking model can be made!



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      Post #67480, posted on 06-12-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      John,

      I think Inflight did a nice job of getting the various green shades accurate. I'll add a couple more here: a 727-027 N7278, which was in real life a New Green (LPG), but has shown up as an ERROR in photographs, appearing Dark Panagra Green (DPG), which Inflight chose as the paint color. The Inflight 200 of N1807 was done in what appears to be an accurate LPG, but controversy remains as to which shade was true: DPG or LPG. I own both models, and the caps below are an accurate capture of their true colors. I appended the 707 N7097 in lime at the end, so viewers we'll have all three green shades back-to-back for comparison. --Duncan



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      Post #67482, posted on 06-12-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Duncan:

      Now that we know Boeing is involved in the Inflight diecasts, those are definitely the correct "JB" colors! So until Ben gets the actual chips from Boeing, we finally have some confirmation!!



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      Post #67487, posted on 06-12-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      John,

      I am looking forward to the chips and to final confirmation. Inflight has several blue shades that prompt some questions vs photgraphs, but given the excellent outcome from Inflight on the various greens, I can't help but think there is some merit to the appearance of Inflight blue. This remains a complicated mystery.

      Is there any chance you can entice your BN connections to join us in these threads? Even if they cannot show the chips, we could benefit from their feedback.

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      Post #67492, posted on 06-13-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Duncan:

      As soon as Ben gets the chips I can post them here. I have the BI 2-Tones and Ultra's already, so I can post them here. They're photographed using a cellphone, so you have to take in consideration the lighting conditions.......




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