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      Post #53637, posted on 06-11-2014 GMT-5 hours    
      Another show of lack of confidence in the New-Gen types by air carriers:

      http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/06/11/uk-airbus-group-emirates-idUKKBN0EM0C620140611

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      Post #53639, posted on 06-11-2014 GMT-5 hours    
      Wow, this is big! A very big loss for the A350 program. You can be sure there's going to be some good prices on A350s from Airbus to fill those slots.

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      Post #53654, posted on 06-12-2014 GMT-5 hours    
      Yikes! Good news for Seattle though. Looks like the 777 is going to end up being like the 737 - it'll be in production 50 years from now!

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      Post #53655, posted on 06-12-2014 GMT-5 hours    
      The 777 will definitely be in production for a long time in some shape or form. Could this be an opportunity for Boeing to sell some 747-8s?

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      Post #53668, posted on 06-12-2014 GMT-5 hours    
      Doubtful. The hard rules of economics have pretty much spelled the end for the 747 in any form. We will all live to see the day when Joe Sutter's masterpiece is a piece of history, I predict. The 777 will be with us, probably in active production, for many, many years to come. The 787 and A350 with all their bells and whistles are great machines, but the relative simplicity and service proven reliability of the 777, plus the ever-improving economics of its new and improved variants all point to a very long life ahead of it. I'd never have guessed that in 1994, but we can't always predict the future very well

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      Post #53675, posted on 06-13-2014 GMT-5 hours    
      The 777 will definitely be in production for a long time in some shape or form. Could this be an opportunity for Boeing to sell some 747-8s?

      Maybe, but probably not. The big twins are so efficient nowadays, that four holers are becoming dinosaurs. Birds like the 747 and A340 are really only suited for passenger missions over the longest overwater routes where even ETOPS certifications become stretched, like South America to Australia. Having said that, the reliability of the big twins on those routes has been fine, thus undercutting the argument that Virgin had for the A340, four engines for the long haul.

      However... Were Boeing to offer radical discounts and basically sell the 747-8 near cost, then yes a few airlines might bite; the up-front purchase savings might amortize the eventual fuel costs and make a purchase financially viable. Boeing viewed Qantas as a potential buyer for several years, and maybe Air new Zealand, but again, so many things would have to go just right financially and technologically (more efficient engines, upgrades, etc.) that its highly unlikely that we'll see many more passenger -8s. Sad, as I love the looks of the Queen. Freighter versions, that's another story.

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      Post #53677, posted on 06-13-2014 GMT-5 hours    
      There's a lot more to the equation than just fuel. Twice as many engines means twice as much maintenance, more aircraft types in the fleet, increased training costs, etc, etc, etc.