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      Post #70605, posted on 08-26-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi,

      Having flown back to the mainland on a beautiful, new Hawaiian A321-NEO last Sunday, I'm wondering if it is possible to model this bird? The decals are available from 8A Decs, but does the new model's engine come in the Zvezda A321 kit? And, if not, is it available on the aftermarket?

      Many thanks!

      Oh, and it was a contrast. We flew N581Ha out, a midlife 767 with seats that didn't work and a very late nineties interior. In Maui, as we were about to board the NEO in Kahalui, N594HA, a 32 year old 767 taxied past, scuff marks everywhere, pant faded, no winglets, a really old warhorse making her last flights while N205HA sat there, paint new, looking glossy and young. I kinda wanted to fly N594HA before she goes to the scrapper; she's so old that she won't get a new owner, and she was already retired once and then brought back when the NEOs started having their engine problems.

      Sorry for waxing on, but frm an avgeek's perspective it was a fun trip.

      Bob

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      Post #70606, posted on 08-26-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi Bob,
      I'm no expert on Neo engines but these might fit the bill.

      https://www.rocastmodels.com/store/index.php?id_product=50&controller=product

      Cheers,
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      Post #70607, posted on 08-26-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      To answer your original question , no the Zvezda A321 does not come with Neo engines. It also doesn't include sharklets which are essential for the Neo.

      As an alternative to the Rocast engines mentioned by Ian there is also a decent set of engines available from PAS Models in Russia -

      http://pas-decals.com/index.php/product/view/4/494

      The casting probably won't be quite as good as Rocast but they are in stock and they are packaged with a nice set of sharklets to save you buying them separately or making your own

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      Post #70608, posted on 08-26-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      You guys rock, thank you! The Rocast engines are out of stock currently, but I'll keep checking back. They look very nice.

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      Post #70609, posted on 08-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Donít forget there are two NEO engine manufacturers. Hawaiian uses PW which both PAS and Rocast seem to have a good grasp on. The pics here are also good for reference: http://www.airlinercafe.com/forums.php?m=posts&p=68452#68452

      Just make sure youíre not looking at the LEAP engine, in N. America thatís Virgin and Frontier.

      NEOs all have Sharklets, otherwise no external differences from the classic A320 series. You might want to examine pics of the radome, most newer Bus deliveries donít have raised ďstatic/lightening/whatever deflectorsĒ just a smooth radome. I know the Revell kit has these raised lines, canít remember about Zvezda.

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      Post #70610, posted on 08-28-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Donít forget there are two NEO engine manufacturers. Hawaiian uses PW which both PAS and Rocast seem to have a good grasp on. The pics here are also good for reference: http://www.airlinercafe.com/forums.php?m=posts&p=68452#68452

      Just make sure youíre not looking at the LEAP engine, in N. America thatís Virgin and Frontier.

      NEOs all have Sharklets, otherwise no external differences from the classic A320 series. You might want to examine pics of the radome, most newer Bus deliveries donít have raised ďstatic/lightening/whatever deflectorsĒ just a smooth radome. I know the Revell kit has these raised lines, canít remember about Zvezda.


      I've got a Zvezda 321 on the workbench, it's got the raised lines. Also, there was a WBF tweak a few years ago, which the neos all have, not sure what the R and Z kits depict, I'm no 320 expert.

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      Post #70613, posted on 08-29-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi Bob
      If you don't mind making it in 1/200 scale , Hasegawa just released it. Great little kit. I have several here in Florida I am playing with.

      Dan

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      Post #70616, posted on 08-30-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      I've got a Zvezda 321 on the workbench, it's got the raised lines. Also, there was a WBF tweak a few years ago, which the neos all have, not sure what the R and Z kits depict, I'm no 320 expert.



      The Revell kit was issued in 1999 so presumably it represents the original fairing. I've never seen the Zvezda kit in the flesh so I can't comment on it.

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      Post #70617, posted on 08-30-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      LH707 :Also, there was a WBF tweak a few years ago



      Do you happen to have a photo that shows the tweak?? I need to update my drawings.

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      Post #70618, posted on 08-30-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Hi,

      Having flown back to the mainland on a beautiful, new Hawaiian A321-NEO last Sunday, I'm wondering if it is possible to model this bird? The decals are available from 8A Decs, but does the new model's engine come in the Zvezda A321 kit? And, if not, is it available on the aftermarket?

      Many thanks!

      Oh, and it was a contrast. We flew N581Ha out, a midlife 767 with seats that didn't work and a very late nineties interior. In Maui, as we were about to board the NEO in Kahalui, N594HA, a 32 year old 767 taxied past, scuff marks everywhere, pant faded, no winglets, a really old warhorse making her last flights while N205HA sat there, paint new, looking glossy and young. I kinda wanted to fly N594HA before she goes to the scrapper; she's so old that she won't get a new owner, and she was already retired once and then brought back when the NEOs started having their engine problems.

      Sorry for waxing on, but frm an avgeek's perspective it was a fun trip.

      Bob



      Have several A320 and A321 Neos from Hasegawa, so far the first and only 1/200 kit ive build, Hasegawa NEOS come with P&Ws BTW, mine was finished in Volaris Markings made by 8adecals. I just wish that someone can do it on 1/144 someday.









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      Post #70619, posted on 08-30-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      LH707 :Also, there was a WBF tweak a few years ago



      Do you happen to have a photo that shows the tweak?? I need to update my drawings.



      No, from what I know it happened around 2004-2005, and became build standard. IIRC it's on the top side you might find it just by looking at an early build and a late build to see if you find it. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

      While on the NEO topic, I need a good set of sharklets in 144, anybody know which are the best?

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      Post #70622, posted on 08-31-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      While on the NEO topic, I need a good set of sharklets in 144, anybody know which are the best?



      As I said earlier, sharklets are available from PAS Models, either separately or along with engines. BraZ Models also make sharklets. I have both and there is little to choose between them.

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      Post #70623, posted on 08-31-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      So this is the only difference I can see. On the earlier ones this segment sloped slightly downward. On later ones it's horizontal. I can't *imagine* that can possibly make any detectable difference in drag.


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      Post #70625, posted on 08-31-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Dave, thanks! I'll look for a set this weekend at the IPMS, else order one, thanks!

      Jennings, often those small tweaks make a big difference, there's a lot of interference and compressibility drag at the WBF join, it's possible that the new one is thicker or thinner in spots, or has some manufacturing advantage.

      The other weird A320 thing I realized recently is that all EXCEPT the 320 have nacelle strakes on both sides, maybe the cost of change certification wasn't worth it....

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      Post #70626, posted on 09-01-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      The WBF is aerodynamically very important. There is another mod available to help with T/O performance that is just ahead of the wing leading edge on the WBF. I canít quite make it out, it almost just looks thicker? Try googling.

      As to the engine strakes, IAE engines (one CEO option) the 320 has inboard only, 319/321 have both. According to our CDL/MEL manual itíd one is missing itís a decent performance penalty. Remember the 320 is the original variant. The 319/321 came later and have some other software differences too, speedbrakes come to mind as one. The 320 only allows half soeedbrakes with the autopilot on. 319/321 you can go full boards with the AP on. Obviously not an external difference but a change over time that they did not reapply to the whole family/original model (320) Our 320s are newer builds than our 319s so it seems odd but thatís how it is...

      End of long rambling Airbi discussion....

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      Post #70682, posted on 09-15-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      FYI, the Rocast goodies are back in stock for those wanting them. I just placed an order.

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      Post #70683, posted on 09-15-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Score, thanks for the update, I just ordered there!

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      Post #70684, posted on 09-16-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      FYI, the Rocast goodies are back in stock for those wanting them. I just placed an order.

      Bob



      Only reliable option at the time, however not accurate at all, (at least on my set)

      im trying to figure out how to reshape the awful cowling bottom.

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      Post #70703, posted on 09-18-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      FYI, the Rocast goodies are back in stock for those wanting them. I just placed an order.

      Bob



      Only reliable option at the time, however not accurate at all, (at least on my set)

      im trying to figure out how to reshape the awful cowling bottom.



      Not sure what you mean by ďonly reliable optionĒ. Iíve dealt with PAS many times over a long period and found their service 100% reliable.

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      Post #70722, posted on 09-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Are you referring to the LEAP undersides? Those have the little bulges there by design, the Pratts don't.

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      Post #70724, posted on 09-20-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      FYI, the Rocast goodies are back in stock for those wanting them. I just placed an order.

      Bob



      Only reliable option at the time, however not accurate at all, (at least on my set)

      im trying to figure out how to reshape the awful cowling bottom.



      Not sure what you mean by ďonly reliable optionĒ. Iíve dealt with PAS many times over a long period and found their service 100% reliable.



      Sorry the correct word was "accurate". Ive also used their service, and no bad comments on that side.

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      Post #70759, posted on 09-26-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Everything is here! The A321, the Hawaiian decals and the Rocast goodies showed up yesterday. As soon as the Kululu 737 with Contrails engines is done, I'll move to the Neo.

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      Post #70766, posted on 09-29-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I got the Rocast winglets too, at first glance they look pretty good. I'll have to report back though, boss man just sent me on a last-minute work trip again....

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      Post #70787, posted on 10-03-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi all

      I have been following this thread a while now, as I am really interested in the recipes as how to build an A32XNeo in 144th scale.

      My question : weren't there some talks that Revell was to release both an A320Neo and A321Neo in 1/144th scale?

      Rumour/truth? still to come or project rejected?
      Anybody has information about the 1/144th Neos.

      Cheers

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      Post #70789, posted on 10-04-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Maybe someone closer to Revell might have a better insight but I think this project is dead.
      Nothing was mentioned in their newsletters anymore.
      With the bankrupcy of Hobbico (Revell's owners) and subsequent take over by Quantum Capital Partners in 2017 I'm not sure how they are doing at the moment.

      But I'm still hoping they will do the A32XNEO series, an A350-1000 and A330NEO (well... I can keep dreaming....).

      Cheers,

      Jan

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      Post #70791, posted on 10-04-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      A 330-200 would also be nice.

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