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      Post #70452, posted on 07-26-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Reflecting on my recently finished Super Guppy Turbine model I wonder where the molds have ended up. Same goes for the C-5 kit.

      For the Super Guppy Turbine I have boxes of the kit released by Otaki, Entex, and Revell. The Revell release is dated 1985 molded by Otaki.

      The C-5 was released by Otaki, Entex, Revell, and Testors. Scalemates also shows Yodel coming after the Testors release.

      Any ideas which company ended up with the molds?

      The L1011 has pretty much been discussed to death that the molds are GONE.

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      Post #70455, posted on 07-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Scalemates also shows Yodel coming after the Testors release.



      I haven't looked closely at the Yodel boxing but that order has to be incorrect.

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      Post #70459, posted on 07-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Al Trendle tried in vain to track down the C-5 molds in the late 1990s. The last time it was released was in the late 1980s under the Ceji-Revell label. He believed the later Testors boxing was done by them with a stock of existing moldings, and that they didn't have possession of the molds. The trail went cold after Revell had them. It's possible they have been destroyed somehow, but as far as I know, no one in the industry has seen them in going on 30 years.

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      Post #70460, posted on 07-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I haven't seen a Yodel C-5 but found this reference on Ebay......1992?


      Condition:
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      Brand: Yodel
      Scale: 1/144 MPN: YSP-2-2500
      Year: 1992

      As to the Super Guppy the Revell kit I do have says 1985 by Revell Inc. Molded by OTAKI. So Otaki must have been around till then. Bankrupt right afterwards?

      The reality is that the missing C-5 molds aren't a huge loss with the "new" Roden C-5 looking like a much better kit. The Super Guppy is another story though as there's no alternative kit. "Luckily" there were only four Super Guppy Turbines built with only 3'ish different sets of markings. The kits seem pretty easy to come by at reasonable prices. Looks like there are aftermarket decals for the Super Guppy as well. I used the Vintage Flyer Aero Spacelines decals for my recent one and have a NASA set in reserve. I found a BS Modelle sheet for the Airbus Skylink markings as well. Anyone know of or have experience with these decals?

      Both the Otaki C-5 and Super Guppy kits are kind of %@% 1980's vintage kits. Adding the nacelles to the wings of the Super Guppy is a PITA and the engine exhausts are fictitious. The C-5 has the engine cold section exhaust blocked off and the landing gear couldn't be any simpler. Still there's no mistaking each kit for the 1/1 planes.

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      Post #70461, posted on 07-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I have two of the Super Guppy kits for some reason - one an Entex boxing (because I love the graphic design elements of Entex's boxes) and the other a Revell boxing of the sort I had in the late '80s. It is an interesting kit, especially when you compare the interpretation of the remaining Stratocruiser/C-97 features with the Minicraft B-377/C-97 kit's interpretation. I'm certain somebody who was particularly motivated could kitbash the two into a proper Super Guppy, but that somebody's gonna have to be someone other than me.

      As for the probable loss of the Otaki C-5 tool, it's unfortunate but I can't get too upset about it. I just remember the one I had in the late '80s, the Revell C-5B issue, being kind of a letdown because it seemed so simple in some key areas. The landing gear in particular looked like an afterthought. The Roden kit is priced a trifle dear, but to me it's no contest.

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      Post #70464, posted on 07-28-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      There was another Otaki kit:
      The Dornier Do-X!
      Am I wrong? I bought one at that time.....

      It is still out soemtimes by Revell.
      Perhaps it is worth to ask Revell for the other molds?

      When I was a student, in the 80th, all these Otaki kits were suddently in our local shop. All, but not the L-1011.
      (I guess because one could buy the Airfix and Revell at that time).
      It was hard, because expensive, to buy these kits for me as a student, there were much more expensive than Airfix or Revell models.
      But I did, because no other brands with theses types.
      When they were in the shelves, I was really proud about them . :-)
      I would love to see them come back, even I have a Otaki-boxed one of each.

      So: There is a story (history) for me with theses kits.
      Is the Roden C-5 the better C-5? Yes.
      Will it ever get a story? No.
      Modelling is sometimes more than accurancy for me....
      :-)

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      Post #70465, posted on 07-28-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Ken Miller :Both the Otaki C-5 and Super Guppy kits are kind of %@% 1980's vintage kits.



      They were both ancient in the 1980s! Early 1970s more like.

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      Post #70468, posted on 07-28-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      ... The Roden kit is priced a trifle dear, ...



      That sounds very British ... down here we say the Roden kit is "******* exy" (which translates to "expletive expensive").

      Having said that after a bit of searching around hopefully a C-5M (and not to mention - finally - a C141B!} will be winging it's way to me soon that's nearly only half as expletive expensive!

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      Post #70469, posted on 07-28-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      I haven't seen a Yodel C-5 but found this reference on Ebay......1992?

      Condition:
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      Brand: Yodel
      Scale: 1/144 MPN: YSP-2-2500
      Year: 1992






      Mmmm interesting. Well if they were the last and they did it from the moulds and not from Otaki stock then someone there must know where it went? Are Yodel still in business? Address / Contact if they still are?

      Other than that if it still exists Revell Germany must have it in one of their storage dungeons. Anyone know anyone in Revell Germany?

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      Post #70473, posted on 07-29-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      The question was:
      Other than that if it still exists Revell Germany must have it in one of their storage dungeons. Anyone know anyone in Revell Germany?

      I do not believe they can help us.
      When they did the "Classics" some years ago we (IPMS Germany) asked them for a CV990 rerelease (I still miss that in my collection).
      They said, they would, but they do not know where the molds are. Last release was for Lodela in Mexico and since that time no one knows in which storage they are.

      Can it be true? In our "everything is online registered times"?
      Hm.
      But we have to accept that....

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      Post #70478, posted on 07-29-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Are Yodel still in business? Address / Contact if they still are?



      As I wrote in the other Thread :

      "A friend is over in Japan at the moment strengthening some hobby ties he has over there and he's going to ask around if anyone knows what happened to Yodel. Will update if he finds out anything."

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      Post #70480, posted on 07-29-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Uwe mentioned the Dornier Do-X model which I'd forgotten about. Yep that's a rare plane. I thought there was only one but looks like there were another two built. The Spruce Goose kit would be the only kit of a one-off airliner I can think of. And speaking of the Otaki C-5.... I built the Entex airliner version when I was a kid and hope to do another one some day. A friend joked that the reason the C-5 never became an airliner was because it was just too ugly.

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      Post #70483, posted on 07-30-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Iím pretty sure Yodel was a fly by night outfit that is long gone.

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      Post #70486, posted on 08-01-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      The Dornier Do-X kit may help to shed some light on the other Otaki airliner kits. Scalemates shows the Do-X as a new Otaki kit in 1974, an Entex release in 1975, Yodel in late 1970's. Revell Ceji in 1984, Matchbox 1990, Revell Germany 1992, Revell Germany 1999, and Revell Germany 2010.

      https://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=155021&p=timeline

      If I had to guess where the C-5 and Super Guppy Turbine molds ended up I'd say Revell Germany.

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      Post #70487, posted on 08-01-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      If I had to guess where the C-5 and Super Guppy Turbine molds ended up I'd say Revell Germany.



      Al Trendle knew the German Revell folks in the 1990s, and they claimed no knowledge of the whereabouts of the C-5 molds at the time.

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      Post #70513, posted on 08-06-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Aside from the almost certainly lost and gone forever L-1011 molds, hopefully the others mentioned have not become as Sasquatch spokesman Nanuke sadly informed the modelling world in an exclusive interview he gave on All-Star Airliner Modeling some 25 years ago concerning the status of his company's 1/144 molds: "All da molds has been destroyed";)

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