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      Post #69743, posted on 03-13-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Hello all

      My name is Uwe, I live in Bavaria/Germany and I was pointed to this forum by some guys on the ARC forum. I normally build planes and ships, mostly 1/48 and 1/350. But I also have a strong intrest in "real space" models. I have been a space fan since I saw Armstrong walking on the moon on my Grand Ma's b/w TV at the age of six! :-)
      So...recentyl I bought a box of half build old models of E-bay, mainly because of the 1/72 Space Shuttle that was part of the deal. The box also held a 1/144 747-400 that is missing a lot of parts, it's beyond economical repair. But handling it somehow sparked my intrest in a 747 model. I looked around and found out that apart from the old Revell 747 SCA that is now on my desk there are some newer offers around. A search on E-bay Germany showed that for about 50 bucks I could get them all (second hand kits), so I bought a Zvezda 747-8, a Revell 747-8i in the LH 2014 WM sheme and another Revell 747-8f as "cut away" LUX cargo bird. I have been reading here a bit already and decided that the Zvezda -8 will be chopped up to become a 747-400 in my favourite paint job as "Ed Force One". The Revell offer is simply too bad. I also right now have the old Revell -100 on my plate, a kit that has to be seen to believe how bad things were in the early 70ties. I had almost forgotten about that kind of kits. Coming directly from a 1/48 Tamiya Tomcat that kit was/is quite a shock! Anyway..."never give up" I thought and started. Now my first question. The engines are almost unbuildable and on top of that are butt ugly. I found two AM companies who offer AM resin ones, Welsh Models and Braz's. Which ones would the experts recommend for the Revell bird? Also I woud need a briefing on what engines were used/offered when. I know British Jumbos had mostly RR engines and thats were my knowledge ends. I am almost at a point were I say the Revell 747 will not become the SCA but something different. Either a beaten down cargo hauler of maybe a very early PanAm or TWA bird from 1970... Any advise and recommendations are more then welcome.

      thanks a lot
      Uwe

      PS: My Revell kit has a slightly asymetrical profile around the nose section. The port side seems to be swollen a bit ;-) Lot's of sanding ahead...

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      Post #69744, posted on 03-13-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Welcome to the forum. You've come to the right place for all things airliner. I can't tell you much about 747s, other than that (1) Braniff's 747s used Pratt & Whitney engines, and (2) the best 747 kits are those of Authentic Airliners (https://www.authentic-airliners.de/), which is located in your country. In fact, I just ordered their 747-100.

      No doubt somebody else will be along shortly who knows more more about 747s than I do. The ancient Revell 747 kit can be built into a decent model; I had a link to a build article on a Russian forum (http://airliner-models.org/forum/) that showed how to correct the errors of that kit, but the article appears to have been removed.

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      Post #69747, posted on 03-13-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Moin Uwe, wilkommen im Forum!

      When you say "The Revell offer is simply too bad," are you referring to your 100, or the example of the -8 you got?

      Regarding the engine type, all of the early ones were PW, followed by GE and RR in the id-70s, which airline are you trying to do? BA had a few -136s with PW engines before switching to RR on the 200Bs in 1977. KLM and Lufthansa likewise had PW until ~1976 when they switched to GE.

      If you want to make an accurate 747-100, I'd recommend getting the Authentic Airliners kit, it's got the best shape by far, and won't cause as much pain as the Revell. There was another thread here a few weeks back on the topic, I can't find it now, but the point was basically that the cost o fixing the Revell 100 is close enough that you might as well get the AA kit.

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      Post #69748, posted on 03-13-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Wilkommen, Uwe!

      I don't have much to add as the previous two responses have said pretty much everything I would say. But I can say that the Authentic Airliners kits are much better than anything else out there--Unless you want to build a 747-8i. I have the Authentic 747-400 and it was well worth what I paid for it.

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      Post #69749, posted on 03-13-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Hello again

      The bad Revell kit I was refering to is the 747-400 that I got in that box of kits. I have researched that kit and the comments are not good at all. I wouldn't mind the nose work but the wing angle is to much for my liking. The -100 I got is just an old mold and with details from the early 70ties. It also shows it's age and wear and tear. The whole kit is covered in flesh, lots of defects in the mold already that show as spots of material on the model surface.
      For the -400 "Ed Force One" that I really want I will cut up a Zvezda -8. I kind of like poly cutting and constructing anyway...:-)
      The -100 I will carry one with and see where I get. I am also sure that by cutting up a -8F a nice -100/200 could be created. 1/144 Jumbos are relatively cheap over here, the show up all the time on E-bay and E-bay Kleinanzeigen. So getting donars is not a big problem.
      The "Authentic Airliners" page I already found. Their decals are super good looking. I will contact them to get some stuff, maybe go there myself since it's only 41km...
      The Revell -8 that showed up today looks really nice. Especially the way the wings get mounted is cool. It wil make it possible to finish those seperately. Is the fit tight enough so that no glue is needed? Maybe a magnet system can be installed that allows then for easy transportation.

      cheers
      Uwe

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      Post #69750, posted on 03-13-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi Uwe!

      Welcome to the forum. This a great place to hear from all sorts regarding airliners. I agree that the AA 747s are the best models, though I have yet to build one. You'll enjoy them immensely I am sure; my time is coming to order and build one. Last year I finished a Revell 747-400 (posted below and to be found in Airliner Café), and encountered many challenges, none of which were insurmountable, and none of which got the better of me to the point of trashing the whole project. As everyone knows, model building, particularly good model building, takes patience, creativity, and ingenuity to accomplish a final result that one can be proud of. I thought mine turned out very nice, in spite of the ill fitting parts, the incorrect wing root placement angle, and various other challenges. I used the Braz Models engines for my model, and they came out beautifully. I have in my unbuilt collection the Zvezda 747-8, which I'll someday build in the retro Lufthansa livery...but until then...I hope you enjoy your building...its only a hobby!

      https://www.flickr.com/photos/155287691@N07/38703035444/in/dateposted-public/

      https://www.flickr.com/photos/155287691@N07/39411282831/in/dateposted-public/

      https://www.flickr.com/photos/155287691@N07/38703035784/in/dateposted-public/

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      Post #69752, posted on 03-14-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Wow...thats a very nice -400! What did you use for the metal parts? Bare Metal foil? Good to see the Braz engines in detail, I will get a set for my project.

      thanks a lot
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      Post #69754, posted on 03-14-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Thank you for the encouraging words, Uwe!

      You asked "What did you use for the metal parts?" I used Alclad aluminum with an airbrush. Also used photo etched brass for the landing gear detail parts, i.e. hubs, struts, hydraulic lines, doors, etc. Tedious, but worth the effort.

      Landing gear close up:

      http://www.airlinercafe.com/photo_20398.details.large

      You might be interested in this...it caught my eye some time ago...3D printed 1/144 scale 747 engine compressor parts. Looks quite interesting.

      https://www.shapeways.com/product/X6VGCCDS2/1-144-scale-747-400-fc6-80c2f-compressor-parts?optionId=59494015

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      Post #69766, posted on 03-16-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Hello all

      Here are some "in progress" pics on my entry project into Airliners...I guess I picked a "hand full" subject. So far I spent 5 days (some hours every day) to assemble the major parts. This bird sucks up "green putty" like a sponge. I managed to assemble the engines as well, the fit was non existant. I am still not sure about the paint job. I lean towards the TWA delivery sceme, I like the classic look and also those 747s seemed to have had the bump behind the bump already. Who makes the best decals for those please? I will try and use AA decals for the generic stuff.
      I will carry on puttying and sanding tonight! ;-)

      thanks
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      Post #69780, posted on 03-17-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      ...ready for a 2nd layer of primer, looking fwd to seeing if the seams are gone now...

      Can anybody recommend a good decal sheet for the TWA deilvery scheme like in the pic below?


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      Post #69781, posted on 03-17-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Looking good Uwe.

      Flying Colors did the decals for that scheme.

      http://www.fcdecals.com/page.php?id=23

      Just to mention Ahmed is our leader of this website and also owns Flying Colors.

      Cheers
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      Post #69786, posted on 03-17-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Uwe, good progress! One thing to watch out for is the trailing edge of the pylon: early ones have a straight trailing edge, later ones have a kink in them that was implemented with the 747SP drag cleanup. Check your kit to see what it has, and make sure that the one you want to build matches up.
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      Post #69788, posted on 03-18-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      LH707...thanks for pointng that out. The Revell kit I have has the early pylons, straight back edge. I think it's one more reason to pick a very early paint scheme.

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      Post #69791, posted on 03-18-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Perfect! I sometimes wait to build a kit until I figure out which sub-version I can do and then pick one of those. Makes life easier....

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      Post #69794, posted on 03-18-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I'm not aware of any Revell 100/200 that has the later style pylons. AFAIK they are still using the original 1971 molds for the JT9Ds, and the CF6 pylons were the same as the early JT9D ones.

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      Post #69795, posted on 03-18-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      I'm not aware of any Revell 100/200 that has the later style pylons. AFAIK they are still using the original 1971 molds for the JT9Ds, and the CF6 pylons were the same as the early JT9D ones.



      It is the 1971 mold...which I painfully experiance now. My kit is a 2011 SCA with Discovery on top...both molds have had it already. Terrible fit and lot's of flesh! BUT...one grows with the challenges and so it will be build. It's a pity the decals are sold out. Will have to check around a bit more to maybe find a set.

      cheers
      Uwe