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      Post #69712, posted on 03-11-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi guys,

      Couple of questions on the MD-11 kits not sure if this was posted anywhere.

      Is the Micro -Mir the same kit as the Eastern Express?

      Where is the most economical place to purchase an MD-11 kit?

      Thanks for any info

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      Post #69713, posted on 03-11-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Is the Micro-Mir the same kit as the Eastern Express?


      Yes, they collaborated on the kit's production but released their own boxings.

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      Where is the most economical place to purchase an MD-11?


      The cheapest eBay listing is here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Eastern-Express-144107-Airliner-MD-11-American-Airlines-kit-1-144/112813030493?epid=715044255&hash=item1a442e3c5d:g:FvwAAOSwR6RaO6jy

      All MD-11 listings (including decals and detail parts) are here: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=1%2F144+md-11&_sop=15

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      Post #69715, posted on 03-11-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Post #69716, posted on 03-11-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Yes google is a simple answer but doesnt promote discussion does it!

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      Post #69717, posted on 03-11-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks for the comments Scott.

      For some reason I thought there was a Russian out let for those kits.

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      Post #69718, posted on 03-11-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I know you specifically mentioned the EE/Micro-Mit kit and those listings mentioned by Scott answer your questions... But if you really want to build an MD-11 save up and buy Kurt's kit. That's what I did and do not regret it at all.

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      Post #69719, posted on 03-11-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      The thing with this kit is that it seems to be very expensive for what it's worth. At least +60usd and having to sand and fix things and anyway live with shape errors and issues doesn't click me. If it had cost 25usd in your local hobby shop would be another story though, but if rising the expenses for a nice Md-11, then rise them not-so-much-more as Chris says and go for top-notch fail-proof. I had wanted the MikroMir/EasternExpress kit for myself but after looking here at pictures of it built side by side with Kurt's finished kit made my mind clear.

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      Post #69721, posted on 03-11-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Thanks for the comments Scott.

      For some reason I thought there was a Russian out let for those kits.



      Of course there are Russian outlets - it's a Russian kit!

      Here's one for starters - http://pas-decals.com/index.php/product/view/9/772

      PAS offer excellent and reliable mail order although their postage charges can be hefty for just one kit.

      That said, I agree with BruinPrideBand and CanalGuna. I bought an Eastern Express kit when Ray at 26decals was selling them cheap and even at Ray's price I wish I hadn't wasted my money. It's one of the few kits I consider actually unbuildable (as opposed to the ones I mess up myself). I've been building models for well over 50 years and I don't believe I'm stupid but apart from the general poor fit and filling required I still cannot work out how to attach the wings. The model has been banished to the loft and will probably be thrown out eventually.

      At the moment Kurt at Authentic Airliners only has PW-engined MD-11s left and I don't know if he's going to cast any more. You probably shouldn't hang around if you want one.

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      Post #69722, posted on 03-11-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      The model has been banished to the loft and will probably be thrown out eventually.



      Dave, before you throw it out, shoot me a PM.

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      Post #69726, posted on 03-12-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Of course there are Russian outlets - it's a Russian kit!




      I know about Putin's aspirations but as of today Ukraine is still a sovereign country, with another language and culture than Russia's

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      Post #69727, posted on 03-12-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Of course there are Russian outlets - it's a Russian kit!




      I know about Putin's aspirations but as of today Ukraine is still a sovereign country, with another language and culture than Russia's



      I don't doubt Ukraine's sovereignty and as a Scotsman who gets seriously angry at being called "English" I try to be aware of these issues. However Eastern Express and PAS Models are both based in Moscow which was in Russia the last time I looked.

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      Post #69728, posted on 03-12-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I purchased the Micro Mir kit thru e-Bay when it was first released and paid about $50.00 for it. It was shipped from Moscow. I used after market KLM decals.

      I built the kit, there was even a discussion here about how to add detail to the cabin windows, and I was very pleased with the results (posted here in the built models section). It took the gold at a local IPMS event. I was disappointed that I could not make "Audrey Hepburn" because the model is of an earlier version. The only difficulty (if you could call it that) was joining the two section fuselage but it was just time consuming. I had more frustration joining the three section AA B707 fuselage than I did with this model.There were no major challenges that I recall that don't present themselves with other builds, to me, that's what the hobby is all about. If you don't feel up to the challenges then I would suggest maybe die-caste.

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      Post #69729, posted on 03-12-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      I don't doubt Ukraine's sovereignty and as a Scotsman who gets seriously angry at being called "English" I try to be aware of these issues. However Eastern Express and PAS Models are both based in Moscow which was in Russia the last time I looked.



      Oh yes you're right, sorry! But as far as I know Mikro Mir was the initial manufacturer of the MD-11 kit and that is a Ukrainian company for sure. I can't find a 'made in ...' on my kit though as it's the 26 Models boxing. My bet is it's manufactured in Ukraine.
      Anyway, I have seen some very nice builds of this kit and as soon as I can pick up modeling again (I just moved to a tiny apartment) I will build mine in the old KLM livery with home made KLM website banners!

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      Post #69730, posted on 03-12-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Andrew :
      Thanks for the comments Scott.

      For some reason I thought there was a Russian out let for those kits.



      Of course there are Russian outlets - it's a Russian kit!

      Here's one for starters - http://pas-decals.com/index.php/product/view/9/772

      PAS offer excellent and reliable mail order although their postage charges can be hefty for just one kit.

      That said, I agree with BruinPrideBand and CanalGuna. I bought an Eastern Express kit when Ray at 26decals was selling them cheap and even at Ray's price I wish I hadn't wasted my money. It's one of the few kits I consider actually unbuildable (as opposed to the ones I mess up myself). I've been building models for well over 50 years and I don't believe I'm stupid but apart from the general poor fit and filling required I still cannot work out how to attach the wings. The model has been banished to the loft and will probably be thrown out eventually.

      At the moment Kurt at Authentic Airliners only has PW-engined MD-11s left and I don't know if he's going to cast any more. You probably shouldn't hang around if you want one.



      The wings can be a problem to fit. This is caused by the wing spar that goes through the fuselage being the wrong shape. I've built two and in both cases I inserted the spar as per the instructions, then chopped it back until just enough was left to fit into the slot in the wing root. This allows the wing to sit at the correct angle. If fitted as per the instructions it is too long and pulls the wings out of shape.

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      Post #69732, posted on 03-12-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      The wings can be a problem to fit. This is caused by the wing spar that goes through the fuselage being the wrong shape. I've built two and in both cases I inserted the spar as per the instructions, then chopped it back until just enough was left to fit into the slot in the wing root. This allows the wing to sit at the correct angle. If fitted as per the instructions it is too long and pulls the wings out of shape.



      Thanks Al. I may revisit it at some point, if only because I hate seeing such a large chunk of the modelling budget going to waste. I was wondering about some alternative spar arrangement but it really is beyond ridiculous that such an expensive kit contains such a basic design flaw. The only other kit I've seen which comes anywhere near such a complex and stupid wing design is the Amodel Lancaster/Lancastrian.

      If an alternative spar doesn't work, Jodie is welcome to the salvage!

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      Post #69734, posted on 03-12-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Just to add to the positive comments about the kit, I too have found no problems with my build. (Although having said that I did convert mine back to a late model DC10 which added considerably to the amount of work involved!)
      I found the wing spar provided a good strong joint after a modest amount of trimming, but nothing excessive. Dave, maybe you could just chop off the spar and butt joint the wing to the fuselage?

      When a model is mass produced surely there is more than one mould? Otherwise it would take forever to build up any stock one at a time. Could it be that those modellers who are having a hard time with this kit have got different parts from different moulds which are then ever so slightly mismatched.
      Just a thought as to why an experienced and very competent modeller such as Dave has had such a hard time when others haven't!

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      Post #69737, posted on 03-12-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Oh yes you're right, sorry! But as far as I know Mikro Mir was the initial manufacturer of the MD-11 kit and that is a Ukrainian company for sure. I can't find a 'made in ...' on my kit though as it's the 26 Models boxing. My bet is it's manufactured in Ukraine.

      https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/355878



      I have the kit box in front of me. Mikro Mir 144-015, Finnair boxing of the MD-11.
      Though it doesn't say where it's produced, I think the fact that the box side info
      printed in 3 languages, Ukrainian, English, and German, is a pretty good clue.

      BTW, good luck with your new place. Still in Haarlem?

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      Post #69738, posted on 03-12-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Airbusian :When a model is mass produced surely there is more than one mould? Otherwise it would take forever to build up any stock one at a time.



      Don't bet on it. Keep in mind that the entire world wide market for a kit like this is in the low thousands, not millions. You could put out several hundred a day.

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      Post #69806, posted on 03-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      It's good to have tons of kits, better if new and we have a wide array of choice. Only showstopper is price; only bearable if worth it.

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      Post #69848, posted on 03-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I have been away from airliner modeling for almost twenty years (raising a family of four) and now am able to return. I have been looking at the EE MD-11 and the L1011. I have no problem dealing with issues with kits because I have found that with time and patience any problem can be fixed. My question about these two kits is on the MD-11 are both engine variants available and on the L1011 are they really a -500.

      Thanks in advance.

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      Post #69849, posted on 03-27-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      on the MD-11 are both engine variants available

      on the L1011 are they really a -500.



      MD-11 -- they have only released one version so far.

      L-1011 -- yes, it is a true -500.

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      Post #69855, posted on 03-28-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      There are actually three versions of the Eastern Express L-1011. The one boxed with Delta decals is the -100 with the early engines, the one with Eastern decals is the -200 with the later and far more common engines and the ones that say L1011-500 on the box are, surprisingly, the -500. From memory the -500 comes with ATA, LTU or Air Transat decals.