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      Post #69654, posted on 03-04-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Been searching around and have not been able to find decals for the yellow demo Boeings, am I forgetting a source?

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      Post #69655, posted on 03-04-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I have also been wanting those same Boeing Demo livery decals for the 707,737,727. In a much earlier post I asked the same question as you. In a very concise and well thought out response, Jennings wrote that it was very unlikely that any decal mfg would venture to do these due to a perceived low demand. Cost of art work and production being what they are, there would have to be an overwhelming demand and potential market. I concur: As much as I would LOVE to have these decal sets, unless we can show a serious high interest, we are not going to have them. Let's start a string showing the serious desire. I will volunteer to send the poll results to any number of aftermarket decal vendors to try to spark a movement from one of them. Maybe POINTERDOG would welcome such a large scale preorder commitment? Lets fill up this forum with our desires
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      Post #69656, posted on 03-05-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Let's start a string showing the serious desire. I will volunteer to send the poll results to any number of aftermarket decal vendors to try to spark a movement from one of them. Maybe POINTERDOG would welcome such a large scale preorder commitment? Lets fill up this forum with our desires
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      Post #69661, posted on 03-05-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I am in!

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      Post #69662, posted on 03-05-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Unfortunately you guys represent about 0.000006% of the total world wide market.

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      Post #69664, posted on 03-05-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Best bet will (obviously) be with one of the print-on-demand suppliers. If you can provide scaled, fitted, color-matched, ready-to-print vector artwork that will minimize what said supplier has to do, that may make it an even easier prospect. The Stratotype lettering and numbers already exist out there, but as anybody who's designed decals can tell you, drawing everything else you have to do is often the challenge - plus you have to consider differences among kits, which will affect how you design the sheet.

      The only screen-printed sheet I can recall seeing for any of the earlier Boeing 7-series demonstrators was a sheet done for, I think, Airline Modeller that did the 727-200 prototype in 1:144 and 1:200. I would offer to do the artwork for y'all, but after years of giving away my work for free, I've raised my rates more than a little.

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      Post #69665, posted on 03-05-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks Jodie that's a start.
      And don't know Jennings, for sure it will never be as popular as an Eastern or Boac sheet, but hey more often than not browsing on decal websites takes too long just because of too many rare/weird/unknown airlines and/or schemes around, and even then they have been produced. I am sure those are not as popular as Boeing historic first flights of the most popular airliners in the world. Maybe copyright issues?

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      Post #69666, posted on 03-06-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      "Demonstrator" schemes have their constituency, but I also find it interesting that when a model manufacturer issues a kit with house colors, there are vocal complaints (as seen on this forum and others) about why Revell or Zvezda or whatever other company didn't include markings for an airline on the decal sheet. I guess people would rather build an in-service aircraft (especially one they have some tie to, that they've flown on or seen in person) than a demonstrator that only flies in those markings for a set period of time and for a specific purpose, before being sold into service and repainted, used as a perpetual testbed, or retired at a young age.

      Speaking for myself, while I know the significance and achievements of the various Boeing prototypes, if I'm going to put forth the effort to build a 707 I'm more likely to build it in Pan Am markings or as a VC-137; if I'm building a 727 I'm going to be far more interested in the Eastern aircraft I saw in my childhood or the Delta aircraft I flew on back in the day; a 737-100 is much more likely to wear the Ansett New Zealand colors of the aircraft a friend flew early in her career. I have a connection with those aircraft that I don't have with any of the prototypes, and honestly many of the Boeing prototype schemes don't really engage me. I do not speak for all modelers in saying this; instead, I am trying to explain why you don't see them more often.

      As I've written above, however, if someone generated some artwork and had it ready to print by one of the print-on-demand suppliers, I believe this would provide a happy solution for those who want such liveries available. Experience has taught me that when no one else can or will supply what you need, it helps if you learn how to do it yourself, and find someone who can print the finished product for you (and my current projects, which involve Delta's too-often overlooked 1997 livery, illustrate that point).

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      Post #69668, posted on 03-06-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      "Demonstrator" schemes have their constituency, but I also find it interesting that when a model manufacturer issues a kit with house colors, there are vocal complaints (as seen on this forum and others) about why Revell or Zvezda or whatever other company didn't include markings for an airline on the decal sheet. I guess people would rather build an in-service aircraft (especially one they have some tie to, that they've flown on or seen in person) than a demonstrator that only flies in those markings for a set period of time and for a specific purpose, before being sold into service and repainted, used as a perpetual testbed, or retired at a young age.

      Speaking for myself, while I know the significance and achievements of the various Boeing prototypes, if I'm going to put forth the effort to build a 707 I'm more likely to build it in Pan Am markings or as a VC-137; if I'm building a 727 I'm going to be far more interested in the Eastern aircraft I saw in my childhood or the Delta aircraft I flew on back in the day; a 737-100 is much more likely to wear the Ansett New Zealand colors of the aircraft a friend flew early in her career. I have a connection with those aircraft that I don't have with any of the prototypes, and honestly many of the Boeing prototype schemes don't really engage me. I do not speak for all modelers in saying this; instead, I am trying to explain why you don't see them more often.

      As I've written above, however, if someone generated some artwork and had it ready to print by one of the print-on-demand suppliers, I believe this would provide a happy solution for those who want such liveries available. Experience has taught me that when no one else can or will supply what you need, it helps if you learn how to do it yourself, and find someone who can print the finished product for you (and my current projects, which involve Delta's too-often overlooked 1997 livery, illustrate that point).

      Jodie Peeler



      Good points there regarding the desirability of some of these schemes, there are often more compelling schemes out there to try, so people don't always go for it. FWIW, I'm still planning to tackle the 707-700, my current blocker is having to do my own engines, but the rest of it should be simple enough with custom decals and airbrushed cheatlines, plus window decals from the scrapyard.

      As to the Ron Allen scheme, I think that was overshadowed by the earlier cheatline and the wavy gravy/Deltaflot, c'est la vie.

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      Post #69669, posted on 03-06-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Yup good points exposed here, very well appreciated. As I see it is that almost every livery and airline gets addressed in this hobby, so the fact that classic Boeing delivery schemes have gone unnoticed grabbed my attention. Even some Airbus new delivery schemes have been produced.

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      Post #69674, posted on 03-07-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      " Delivery" Schemes? There are plenty for a plethora of airlines as the AC went into initial service.. "DEMONSTRATOR " schemes is another story. But, wouldn't the near commonality of some of the fuselage dimensions between the '07, '27, and '37 make for a jump start to a "fits all" sheet ? I think I am going to hit the drafting table and see what I can come up with. Also I have emailed Pointerdog at the last email address I had for him.

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      Post #69675, posted on 03-07-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      You are right, I stand corrected. Demo or demonstrator is proper.

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      Post #69680, posted on 03-08-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Good discussion.....just clarifying one small detail from Jodie,

      The Boeing 727 sheet that came in Airline Modeler Magazine was for a test subject and not the demonstrator markings. The demo plane was the mustard yellow and this plane was white with red markings.

      Demo and test markings are a definite niche. Not so long ago I used the Vintage Flyer Convair 880 house markings on a rebuild of a Microscale kit. I think it turned out great


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      The only screen-printed sheet I can recall seeing for any of the earlier Boeing 7-series demonstrators was a sheet done for, I think, Airline Modeller that did the 727-200 prototype in 1:144 and 1:200. I would offer to do the artwork for y'all, but after years of giving away my work for free, I've raised my rates more than a little.

      Jodie Peeler