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      Post #69625, posted on 03-02-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi all,

      Well, I pulled the trigger on Authentic Airliner's 747-100/200 last night. The plan is to build her into Braniff's 741, The Great Pumpkin using decals from Draw Decals. Now, the problem: does anyone know of a proper orange for this plane? Best yet, the correct orange? In different light conditions, the orange looks different - sometimes very bright, other times with a decent hint of mustard. I realize that nothing will be perfect, but I'd like to get as close as possible.

      Also, any other pointers or things unique to this plane that I should be aware of? Braniff painted two 741s in this color, so either one.

      Man, it must have been a thrill to travel in that plane with that wonderful upper deck lounge. Such a change from what we "experience" nowadays!


      http://www.braniffpages.com/1965/pic8.html


      Thank you all,

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      Post #69629, posted on 03-02-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Model Master International Orange #2002 would be an ideal place to start as a match for N601BN's "Great Pumpkin" 1971 delivery scheme. It may work as is for a factory fresh paint finish or should be easily modified by mixing in a drop of yellow or dark yellow (ie mustard) at a time until it looks right to you...and, as you mention, the shade seems to vary with lighting and other variables, including fading, so there is a fair amount of margin to work with in 'getting it right.'

      Also, N601BN was the only Braniff 747 (a -127) to appear in the "Great Pumpkin" scheme depicted by the Draw Decal. All subsequent 747s delivered to Braniff were painted in an orange variation of the "Ultra" livery. N602BN (20208) was originally allocated to a second -127 ordered by BN but not taken up, delivered instead to Wardair. By most accounts, had BN taken up the original N602BN it would have been painted in a green variation of the "Great Pumpkin" scheme. BN did operate a 747 registered N602BN, a -227B that was delivered new in 1979 in the orange "Ultra" scheme.

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      Post #69630, posted on 03-02-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Bob,

      The color does indeed look different in many of the photos you will find, and I don't think I've ever seen a specific color reference for the
      orange used on the aircraft. The International Orange mentioned above will likely be too dark and too red. Rather than looking for a "correct" orange, here's a tip that I find very useful for this or any model I want to build.

      When I buy a new bottle of paint, I stir the paint with a large toothpick or wooden coffee stick. I let the paint dry on the stick and write the name of the paint on the stick. These become my reference samples which I can lay on a decal sheet and find the best color match to the decal.

      When I built my Big Orange in the early '90s, I was using a travel agent model decal I got from a friend in the UK. At the time I had samples of Pactra, Testors, and Tamiya orange. The best match to the large BI tail decal was the Tamiya X6 orange, so that's what I used.

      The point here is, regardless of correct or incorrect, match your fuselage color to the large BI tail logo and your model will look correct.

      Hope this helps.

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      Post #69632, posted on 03-02-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I've seen Model Master "Go Mango" recommended, but that may refer to the Ultra version of the color. Testors 1118 orange has also been suggested, and also Model Master 1628 Competition Orange and 52920 Roadstar Orange (Boyd). Some of these may no longer be available, what with Testors discontinuing paint colors.

      And somebody refresh my memory: Did the Braniff 747 fleet have P&W or GE engines?

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      Post #69633, posted on 03-02-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      The "correct" orange is a BAC paint code that, while not lost to history, is locked up in the halls of Boeing and not likely to see the light of day. They've become ridiculous about stuff like that in recent years.

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      Post #69634, posted on 03-02-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      And somebody refresh my memory: Did the Braniff 747 fleet have P&W or GE engines?



      P&W

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      Post #69636, posted on 03-02-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Hey guys, great advice. Thank you! I emailed Draw if they had any ideas and Greg Drawbaugh just wrote back saying that they used Pantone 165 for the decals in the absence of any official data. So, any ideas on a close FS match to Pantone 165? Since the orange tail decal will be going over a white tail, a tad lighter than 165 is also okay given that the white may show through, or I can add a few drops of white to the orange paint to compensate.

      Todd, that bird would have looked stunning in green. I have the Braniff Flights of Fancy A380 decals and the plan has been to do her in that green. What a neat color, with just a hint of metallic in it.

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      Post #69642, posted on 03-03-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Pantone 165 has RGB values 255, 103, 31. The closest FS 595B match I can find is 28915, but this is a bit dark.

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      Post #69643, posted on 03-03-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Thank you! That's a great place to start. A few drops or white here, a few drops there and we're cooking with gas. It shows up as fluorescent red on the online sellers' sites, not an orange, so a mix with more white and perhaps some brown will likely get it close.

      Bob