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      Post #69448, posted on 02-17-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Browsing on eBay (ee-models seller)

      EE144116_1 Fokker F-27-500 Air Inter
      EE144116_2 Fokker F-27-500 Farnair
      EE144116_3 Fokker F-27-500 Mahalo Air
      EE144116_4 Fokker F-27-500 USAir Express
      EE144116_5 Fokker F-27-500 United Express
      EE144116_6 Fokker F-27-500 Milliner

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      Post #69450, posted on 02-17-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Unfortunately from a few measurements I've done on their -200 version, it scales out at 1/147. I don't think I'll bother with these.

      See here

      http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235031966-1144-fokker-f-27-200-by-eastern-express-released/

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      Post #69454, posted on 02-17-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Absolutely incredible. Simply unbelievable. Basic simple math.

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      Post #69455, posted on 02-17-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      It's amazing to me that the likes of Tamiya can make 1/32 aircraft that look almost exactly like the real thing and are virtually perfect... And we are still messing up 1/144 airliners.

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      Post #69456, posted on 02-17-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Unfortunately from a few measurements I've done on their -200 version, it scales out at 1/147. I don't think I'll bother with these.
      ...
      Jeff



      How many 0,01 x 10ⁿ mm is the difference?

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      Post #69462, posted on 02-17-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Have a look at my thread over on britmodeller (sorry for the forum hijack Ahmed!).
      I wrote that the EE kit is 16cm (and I think I was being kind as I'm almost sure the actual kit length is 15.9cm) and the F27 should scale out at 16.36cm. Doyusha is 16.3cm.
      It may not matter to some people, but it took me all of 2-3 minutes to find the dimensions and perform some very elementary maths.

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      Post #69467, posted on 02-17-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      The question I have now is about the other models from Eastern Express. Are their L-1011s, MD-80s and other aircraft to the correct scale as advertised?

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      Post #69468, posted on 02-17-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      The question I have now is about the other models from Eastern Express. Are their L-1011s, MD-80s and other aircraft to the correct scale as advertised?



      I was wondering this myself....

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      Post #69470, posted on 02-18-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      The Tristar is essentially the old Otaki mould so itís probably OK. The rest could be anything. Fortunately I have enough Doyusha F27s, Airfix DC-9s and Minicraft MD80s to keep me going for the foreseeable future so I have no plans to find out.

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      Post #69473, posted on 02-18-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      The question I have now is about the other models from Eastern Express. Are their L-1011s, MD-80s and other aircraft to the correct scale as advertised?



      The DC-9 matches the drawings beautifully and is better dimensionally than the Fly kit (as, I believe, someone documented on this forum). As a result I have no concerns about purchasing any of the current or future EE kits of Douglas twinjets.

      If Eastern Express blew the dimensions of the F-27 kit, it's a huge disappointment but they are hardly alone in doing such a thing. Anybody who knows about the Italeri B-58, for example, knows that more esteemed names aren't immune from making colossal dimensional errors, and we've all battled enough with Minicraft products to know how hit-and-miss that name is.

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      Post #69476, posted on 02-18-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      My F-27-200 EE fuselage:


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      Post #69478, posted on 02-18-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Further to what I wrote earlier today, I'd like to issue a challenge: Somebody do with the EE F-27 kit what I did with the EE DC-9, get the best set of drawings available for the F-27, scale them down to 1:144, do a comparison with the EE parts (and if said person has the Doyusha kit, compare it to the drawings, too), and post the results. I'd do it myself but the F-27 isn't high on my list of subjects, and besides I can't do all this stuff myself.

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      Post #69484, posted on 02-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I'm trying to add photos here, but can't see how. Anyway, I'll probably update the britmodeller thread.

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      Post #69485, posted on 02-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      I think the contours of a Boeing 707/727/737 nose probably ranks as one of the most poorly reproduced shapes in modelling history. Multiple companies over the years have missed it with varying degrees of butchery.

      Thank goodness for Authentic Airliners.

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      Post #69493, posted on 02-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      pinky coffeeboat :
      Have a look at my thread over on britmodeller (sorry for the forum hijack Ahmed!).
      I wrote that the EE kit is 16cm (and I think I was being kind as I'm almost sure the actual kit length is 15.9cm) and the F27 should scale out at 16.36cm. Doyusha is 16.3cm.
      It may not matter to some people, but it took me all of 2-3 minutes to find the dimensions and perform some very elementary maths.



      I saw only the box art images at first and thought: "Where the hell is the thread???"
      Found it! You have to scroll down. Aha! 👍
      You're right! The difference is clearly visible. It's not only the length, the EE F.27 is smaller in general!
      Clearly visible on the vertical fin as well.
      But on the other hand....the difference is only visible in a direct comparison of both models side by side.
      If one of them stands alone size difference is not noticeable.
      For non-modellers as my friends or family members who take a look on my models is no difference at all. They see nice built airliner models. It's amazing when they recognize the type of aircraft. Except the 747 that everybody knows. 😄😄😄
      And non of them has a ruler in his pocket, no one would think about to measure it. Only we know our little secret...👍😉

      Okay, the F.27 isn't such a common kit. Only 2 options: Take it or leave it.
      For me I accept a F.27 in 1/147 scale, it doesn't bother me. Better than nothing. Until a better kit comes up. Maybe or maybe not.
      Some of Revell's (earlier) kits were also out of 144 scale.

      BTW: Wasn't there an earlier F.27 kit which was somewhat over 144 scale? Was it from Lincoln??? Don't know...

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      Post #69494, posted on 02-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      P.S.: YEP! I found it here in the database.
      LINCOLN F.27 153 scale!

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      Post #69502, posted on 02-19-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Well they be launching the Fokker 50?? Cant wait for the Dash 8 release!!

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      Post #69512, posted on 02-20-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Absolutely incredible. Simply unbelievable. Basic simple math.



      Jennings, you of all people should know that, when drying and cooling after being injection moulded, polystyrene shrinks by up to 2 or 3 percent. Software has been promising to eradicate the problem (mostly by unsurprisingly suggesting that tooling be made 2 or 3 percent larger than the finished product) these past 20 or 30 years, but it all remains an imprecise, hit-and-miss science. The shrinkage is non-uniform and modelling and predicting it can be most elusive. EE could have corrected the error at the test stage, but not all that readily, cheaply, or elegantly; I suppose the decision depended on plotting sales projections against the unforeseen costs. (Please do not think I am acting as anyone's advocate.)

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      BIG EDIT: my 2 or 3 percent above is actually 0.2 to 0.3 percent, duh, don't know hee my brains were! Looked at a chart today which gives a 0.5 to 0.6 percent shrinkage, so it's all conditional, but the 2 to 3 percent claim is purely down to brown matter in my head

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      The Tristar is essentially the old Otaki mould so itís probably OK.



      Er-r-r... I hate to have to say this, but the Otaki TriStar is not a little underscale (on-topic "Groan"). From memory (I went through the exercise in the early 90s), it came out as 1:145 to 1:147. Pearl S. Buck said, "A hungry man can't see right or wrong. He just sees food." Starved by the Airfix and Revell efforts, we in the hobby overpraised the Otaki TriStar something rotten. As a result of which, we can enjoy its precise copy, warts and all. Beware what you pray for, and all that...

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      My F-27-200 EE fuselage:



      ... your F27 fuselage seems to show a near-perfect length at 16.2mm-odd, though I admit photos can play tricks. Sadly, it also seems to show that EE made a pretty damned near copy of the Doyusha F27, warts and all (though I again admit photos can play tricks). If so, tut-tut! Anyone game enough to take up Jodie's challenge? (I'd rise to it but can't yet find an EE F27 at a reasonable price...)

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      Post #69515, posted on 02-20-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      In spite of sounding contradictory, I'm inclined to agree with Sven ^. When built and placed beside other models (maybe not the Doyusha F27) its smaller size may not be noticeable. I may buy a couple more (if only the price wasn't so off putting). I doubt we'll have anything significantly better coming from any other model company, so take it or leave it indeed!

      Fingers crossed the dash8 and other forthcoming EE kits are closer to the mark.

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      Post #69517, posted on 02-20-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      pinky coffeeboat : I may buy a couple more (if only the price wasn't so off putting).


      Jeff
      I haven't looked around for prices from Ukraine and Russia but Ray at 26 is selling them for £18 including postage. Seems quite reasonable.
      Cheers,
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      Post #69531, posted on 02-21-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      skippiebg :photos can play tricks

      That's true, for me closer to 16.1cm

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      Post #69532, posted on 02-21-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      pinky coffeeboat : I may buy a couple more (if only the price wasn't so off putting).


      Jeff
      I haven't looked around for prices from Ukraine and Russia but Ray at 26 is selling them for £18 including postage. Seems quite reasonable.
      Cheers,
      Ian



      Actually they are £16.00 plus shipping which is £2.00 within the UK only and at cost everywhere else and they are selling fast so when they've gone there will be no more.

      All the best
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      Post #69534, posted on 02-21-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      ^ I bought a couple last night. Any hints on future decal choices Ray?

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      Post #69535, posted on 02-21-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Air UK
      Air Anglia
      Aviaco
      Maersk
      Gulf Air
      TAT
      THY

      All the best
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      Post #69536, posted on 02-21-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Oh Yeah!! Air UK definitely on my list, Maersk and Gulf Air will follow along nicely.

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      Post #69538, posted on 02-21-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Air UK
      Air Anglia
      Aviaco
      Maersk
      Gulf Air
      TAT
      THY



      air UK???
      Hopefully the blue-scheme?????
      And NLM-City Hopper (old livery) would be GREAT!!!!!

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      Post #69542, posted on 02-22-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Aviaco F-27!
      Great News!
      Ray, will it also fit the Doyusha kit?
      Cheers
      Anders

      Linjeflyg(SE) CV440 Metropolitan and AeBal B717 would be very nice!

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      Post #69543, posted on 02-22-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Hello Ray,

      you may downscale your NLM-City Hopper 72 decal to 144?

      that airUK scheme, think that was the first one....?


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      Post #69544, posted on 02-22-2018 GMT-5 hours    
      Yes I will be doing the NLM & Air UK delivery colours also

      All the best
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      Post #69545, posted on 02-22-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Yes I will be doing the NLM & Air UK delivery colours also



      How about TAM Ray?

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      Post #69546, posted on 02-22-2018 GMT-5 hours    
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      Yes I will be doing the NLM & Air UK delivery colours also



      GGGRRREEEAAATTT, Ray!!! Thanks! 👍👍👍👍👍 😍

      Sven