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      Post #68052, posted on 09-02-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Hello---I have the repop of Revell's 727-100 and am looking at doing
      it up as the old Astrojet with the orange lightning bolt as it was in
      1964. I don't have decals yet but wanted to start by masking and painting
      the Boeing gray areas on the tail, lower fuselage, nose, wings and any
      other related areas. Is there a schematic anywhere showing how it was painted?
      I found a schematic on this site for Minicraft's 727-200 but was the painting
      the same or just "similar"? Thanks---John
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      Post #68053, posted on 09-03-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi John,

      No "schematic" that I'm aware of, but here are a few suggestions.

      1) The instructions for the Avigraphics 727 detail sheet will give a hint at some of the sections that may be gray on generic 727s. They will not all be present on every operators aircraft.

      http://www.airlinercafe.com/photo_2501.details.large

      2) Next, follow the included link and look at as many of the photos that pertain to the scheme you are wanting to do.

      https://www.google.com/search?q=American+Airlines+727-100&rlz=1C1EJFA_enUS700US700&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs-p6Bn4jWAhVFMyYKHdvuAMQQ_AUICigB&biw=1745&bih=864

      3) I would recommend the Vintage Flyer decals for your American 727 Lightning Bolt scheme.

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      Post #68054, posted on 09-03-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi John

      Try this google search as well:

      https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1EJFA_enUS700US700&biw=1920&bih=901&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=American+Airlines+727+astrojet&oq=American+Airlines+727+astrojet&gs_l=psy-ab.3...463480.463480.0.464245.1.1.0.0.0.0.421.421.4-1.1.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0.lmaa2dZa2Y8#imgrc=_

      Keep posting progress, I plan to do astrojet 727 soon.

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      Post #68055, posted on 09-03-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks, the pictures help but distinguishing a 200 from a 100 is confusing and
      there are no good clear pictures of the wing top and bottoms. The Minicraft 727-200
      instruction sheet on this site is helpful but is it accurate for a 100? Also is light
      gray Boeing gray? It shows most areas as LG, light gray but shows the wing top panel as
      DG, dark gray. What is DG? That's what is confusing me and it seems that there were
      different paint schemes at different times. I am still trying to sort through all the
      pictures, for an example it seems the 100s tail engine was painted gray different than the
      200s.---John

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      Post #68056, posted on 09-03-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Canadian Voodoo Grey is Boeing Grey. It's in the Testors Model Master line of enamels. Well, if you can find it. It's still out there in some hobby shops and online, though you'll need to hunt for it as they discontinued it.

      The FS number is 16515, so if you can't find the Testors version, just search for that FS number and get close. It's a very tough shade to pin down, and does change noticeable as the lighting conditions change in the real world, so I tend to think that if you get close, you'll be fine. There was an acrylic paint in that FS number at Spruebrothers as of last year, but it's gone now (I just checked). Lifecolor is the brand and it sprayed on quite nicely through my old Paasche VL.


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      Post #68057, posted on 09-03-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      THe box art from the Revell 727 astrojet as well as the Aurora version will be helpful.

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      Post #68058, posted on 09-03-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      When faced with the conundrum of trying to find Boeing gray, I used the Testors Canadian Voodoo gray, but as stated above, it has been discontinued and is difficult to find. Still needing the gray in its proper tint, I used photographs generally available on the internet, Airliners.net, etc. of the specific aircraft I was (am) building. Took a photo swatch to Home Depot, had it scanned into their highly technological computer program, and had a small can of enamel mixed for me. Turns out, the color is a perfect match and with proper thinning the paint works beautifully in an airbrush; adheres well, fast drying, easy to work with, and is durable. Might need a coat of clear gloss to make it shine, if preferred, or it can be left semi-flat. Been very pleased with the color matching result and finish.

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      Post #68061, posted on 09-03-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi John,

      There are a number of good photos in the link that Andre posted. For easier recognition, the -200 is longer than the -100 and has 2 cabin doors on both sides, the -100 has 1 main cabin door on the port side and 1 cabin door mid-fuselage on the starboard side. There are differences in the painting between the -100 and -200 both on the fuselage and the wings. BTW...the Aurora box top is a very good reference photo.

      As for paint, the Model Master Voodoo Gray is very close, as is Tamiya Light Gray Primer. The Gunze Light Gray (H338) was a perfect match to a paint sample I got from the UsAir maintenance shop in the early 90s. If you're airbrushing, you can also use a mix of Testors Gloss White (6 or 8 parts) with Testors 1138 Gray in the small bottle (1 part); the 6/1 mix is close to voodoo gray, while 8/1 mix is slightly lighter but a little more pleasing to my eye.

      Send me a PM with your email address and I can send you some specific photos.

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      Post #68062, posted on 09-03-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks for the pictures. I have been wading through them and so far I have the
      tail and nose figured out.I am still a bit confused on the fuselage bottom and
      wings. The -200 seems to have had more area painted on the bottom than the-100 from the
      photos I can decipher. Here's what I have so far.---John
      OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA by jvandeu53, on Flickr
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      Post #68067, posted on 09-04-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      John,

      From the photos I've been looking at, there is not much on the underside that is painted gray. The gear bays and nose gear doors are gray, as are the landing gear legs. The wing root fairing is gray from about mid wing on top, around the trailing edge of the wing, and on the underside to where the main gear doors are. There is a gray lavatory service panel on the right forward fuselage, and there is also a strip of gray on the tail just forward of the rudder.

      Very little gray on the wings; on the underside, portions of the flap track fairings are gray, but would be very hard to mask in 1/144 scale, might get by with painting the entire flap track fairing gray. Also looks like the strake on the leading edge is gray. As for the rest of the wing, spars are coroguard, leading edges flat slightly dark aluminum (not as dark as the coroguard), and all other parts are bare metal.

      The horizontal stabilizers have coroguard spars and bare metal leading edges; from the rear of the spar back, the stabs are gray.

      Hope that helps.

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      Post #68069, posted on 09-04-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Hope those pics can bring some "light"

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      Post #68073, posted on 09-04-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks Andre, I have those and lots more pictures. The most confusing is
      the middle one with the slats and flaps deployed. The slat on the leading edge
      with the landing light looks light gray and in the next photo it looks NMF.
      A lot of these pictures are shadowy and hard to make out corroguard from
      NMF from Boeing gray. I will wade through them and do what looks right to my
      "eye" and use my "artistic license".---John

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      Post #68074, posted on 09-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      John

      I wouldn't get to hung up on the color shades. Once the plane leaves Boeing, things change and sometimes very fast. Leaks, wash's company paint changes. Panel touch up's. Was it sprayed or was a roller used. Did they seal it with clear and so on. Get it close and you'll be fine. Enjoy the build.

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      Post #68076, posted on 09-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I have to agree with Dave. Come as close as you can to the color of what you are painting. The pattern of color/painted area is most important to me. Also, the pattern on the number 2 intake varied from aircraft to aircraft.

      John, also take notice that after the 727-223 arrive in AA's fleet, the 727-023 had a minor change by an enlarged circle logo on the tail with the aircraft identifier on the intake of the number 2 engine being changed from 727 ASTROJET to just a larger ASTROJET and the fuselage titles were also enlarged.

      I look forward to seeing your completed project.


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      Post #68079, posted on 09-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks for all the help. I won't get "hung up" on colors as I am just going to
      use what looks good to my eye. I have finally figured out the area that wraps around
      the wing root and tucks in under the fuselage, it stops at the main gear doors. The only
      other gray I see is the flaps and flap tracks on the wing bottom and the darker gray center
      section of both top and bottom wing. That's it for me, outside of maybe the lavoratory
      panel on the right forward fuselage---LOL--- can't forget that!---John

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      Post #68512, posted on 11-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I,ve got all the masking and painting I am going to do done.
      I did the flaps and slats light gray as the tail and stabs then
      I did the center section of the upper wings a darker gray. I have
      my Tamiya silverleaf spray and just need to trudge through a third
      session of masking. I still need to order the decals from Vintage Flyer.---John


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      Post #68572, posted on 11-15-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I have the top side all masked. What a time consuming job that is.
      I'll take a break then flip it to do the bottom, then it's off to
      get it's coat of Tamiya silverleaf spray.---John

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      Post #68573, posted on 11-15-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Indeed. Nice work though thus far. Do you prefer the Revell kit over the scarce Airfix 727-100.

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      Post #68574, posted on 11-16-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Yes, the Airfix nose doesn't look right, and I am not fond of hatches and doors
      being fitted to the fuselage, those never seem to fit right. The windows I would rather
      use decals,different liveries had different seating options.The Revell method of
      indented windows is almost as bad.---John

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      Post #68593, posted on 11-16-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Just took the masks off. I'm happy with the finish.---John


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      Post #68596, posted on 11-16-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      You should be John..looks excellent! That's a Tamiya paint out of a rattle can? I swear by Tamiya white TS-26. Though expensive, I get my best results with Tamiya.

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      Post #68598, posted on 11-17-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      That Tamiya Silver Leaf is pretty impressive!