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      Post #67889, posted on 08-15-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      By 29 September the last of the 737-300s will be retiring from the WN fleet.

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      Post #67897, posted on 08-16-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Seems that generation of metal is quickly disappearing from the skies over the U.S.... I've spent the last several days in the DFW area... Amazing to see so few AA Md-80s flying over head after so many years of them being almost constant. Soon there won't be any at all

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      Post #67898, posted on 08-16-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      To me a 737-200 would still be OK and a -300 a rather new one. I am definitely getting old...

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      Post #67899, posted on 08-16-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Classics? The -200s were retired a long time ago... ;)

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      Post #67900, posted on 08-16-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      SOUTHWEST flew yet the -200 series till today?

      The Classics were the -100 & -200 srs. Long gone!

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      Post #67901, posted on 08-16-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I didn't make it up. The -300/400/500 are universally known as "classics". You (or I) may not agree, but that's what they're called. The -100/200 are called either "legacy", "original series", or "first generation".


      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_Classic


      http://www.b737.org.uk/737classic.htm


      http://aviationweek.com/blog/us-airways-says-goodbye-737-classic

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      Post #67902, posted on 08-16-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Yes, J is right...the -100/-200 are also sometimes known as "The Jurassics," tongue-in-cheek, of course:-)

      On 8/14, we flew the last revenue flight of N625SW (B737-3H4, c/n 27701) which, I was told, was one of 22 aircraft to be retired that evening. It is really sad to see them go because it is, essentially, the last of the truly "old school" jetliners, complete with an analog cockpit. I will really miss those airplanes!

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      Post #67903, posted on 08-16-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      As a former Southwest employee with 30 years of service I can say, with absolute certainty, that the current Southwest crews are looking forward to their retirement. The reliability, efficiency, as well as the lavatories have seen much better days. They were the stars of the fleet in the '80s and early '90s for sure.

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      Post #67904, posted on 08-17-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      A friend of mine who used to fly them for American called the 727 the Jurassic Jet

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      Post #67905, posted on 08-17-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I think with any machine, many people crave the new, shiny airplane. I love the -300 because of its lineage back to the legacy jets, and it is a great stick and rudder airplane. My experience is that they are very solid, reliable airplanes. No wifi though;-)

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      Post #67906, posted on 08-17-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      My ♥ belongs to the "REAL" Classics, the ur-type -100 & -200 srs.
      Same with the 747's, the -100 & -200 are my favourites
      and - of course - the long gone real classic planes e.g. BAC 1-11, Caravelle,
      727 (all series), DC-9's, the noisy and smoky Tupolevs etc.

      All present planes have the same airframe layout, look very very similar.
      From the distance with no size comparison you can hardly distinguish
      a 737-800 from a 777-300 or an Embraer 195 from a Bombardier CSeries.

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      Post #67908, posted on 08-17-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      As Dan states its a great plane. It boils down to Southwest wants to park them. Interiors can be replaced, Wifi installed and improvements made. Up here in MSP we went the improvement route. In 1967 when the DC 9-30 came into the fleet there were no overhead bins, it was a open hat rack. New interiors came along later. New engines, new black box's everything was made better. The merger with NWA. we replaced the interior again, added another bath room. Installed a new Pressurization sys. Brought about sixty more DC-9's 30. 40 50's and flew them for years. You see the plan still going on with Delta picking about all the 717's in the world, along with buying MD 90's. Its up to the company.

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      Post #67909, posted on 08-17-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      It is as it is: The -300 is a technology more than 30 years old.
      Think it's too expensive for SOUTHWEST to improve and update the -300.
      Probably too high operating costs, too much fuel consumption.

      The modern planes even if they look alike each other
      have better performances and lower costs.
      Even if you replace the interior (DC-9 example) - the engines remains the same.

      Lufthansa retired the last -300 (and -500) last year
      while the -400 had only a short "guest appearance".

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      Post #67913, posted on 08-17-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Considering the NG burns (IIRC) about 20% less fuel per seat mile than the Classic, and the MAX cuts that down by another 15%, yeah, they're just flat too expensive to operate. When you can burn 35% less gas per seat mile, that adds up. And the airframes themselves are a minimum of 15 years old, and more often much older. Airplanes wear out and become prohibitively expensive to maintain.

      Same reason United isn't flying Boeing 247s and Air France isn't flying L-1649s.

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      Post #67914, posted on 08-17-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      A friend of mine who used to fly them for American called the 727 the Jurassic Jet



      Funny, when I was flying the 727 in the freight world, we called the DC-8 the Jurassic Jet, or the Douglasaurus. I guess it is all a matter of perspective ;)

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      Post #67930, posted on 08-18-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Considering the NG burns (IIRC) about 20% less fuel per seat mile than the Classic, and the MAX cuts that down by another 15%, yeah, they're just flat too expensive to operate. When you can burn 35% less gas per seat mile, that adds up. And the airframes themselves are a minimum of 15 years old, and more often much older. Airplanes wear out and become prohibitively expensive to maintain.

      Same reason United isn't flying Boeing 247s and Air France isn't flying L-1649s.


      I don't think it's a 20% improvement, more like 10-15%. The engines are 7%, and the rest of the frame accounts for a bit more. On shorter routes, the classics do better, due to the much lighter weight, but as the stage length increases, the NG's advantage increases. Really, the NG was a response to the superior range of the 320 over the classics.

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      Post #67932, posted on 08-18-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      And the 727 was called "Whisper Jet" ...

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      Post #67948, posted on 08-19-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      And the 727 was called "Whisper Jet" ...



      And to this day my dad calls every airliner a "whisperjet"

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      Post #67951, posted on 08-20-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      ...Same reason United isn't flying Boeing 247s and Air France isn't flying L-1649s.



      And therefore Lufthansa still flies a Ju-52/3m
      (even if the most parts are not original) and restores a 1649 "Super Star"
      since years.👍
      Looking forward to see it in its full historic livery!
      Last year LH made the biggest profit in company history and just paid out
      employees' profit sharing and still have money for the "Super Star" restoration.