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      Post #67574, posted on 06-27-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Andrew Stiffler and I briefly talked about having decals curl up on us as they dried. We both seem to agree that they were older decals that we'd covered with Microscale Liquid Decal Film.

      It has happened to me twice. Once on the Monogram Orient Express Plane where I watched ALL of the decals slowly curl up and fall off of the model as they dried. I was ticked off as the decals were rare and irreplaceable. The second time was with my Entex Pocket Pak 747 that I suspected the decals would curl. This time I used large amounts of Micro Sol multiple times to get the decals to settle down and stay on the model. A major PITA on a tiny model and an impossible task to deal with on a larger one.

      Curious if other modelers have had similar experiences and if so do they have any other "solutions" to prevent it from happening :-)

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      Post #67580, posted on 06-27-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I haven't experienced any curling as you describe, Ken. But a possible solution to your issue
      could be to hit it with heat from a hair dryer while it's still wet. Bake 'em on. HTH.

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      Post #67583, posted on 06-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      This problem only occurred to me many years ago when trying to use 1/72 Fujimi decals for their F-4 Phantom series. They just fell off and there was nothing I could do against that. My solution was going for aftermarket decals.

      However, I had some very recent issues with Draw Decals and wanted to ask if you know how to solve/circumvent that problem i ran into.

      I know about using them in VERY hot water and so I did.
      I also tried pre-coating some of them.

      Whatever I tried, some decals started rolling up into a tightly packed cylinder form just a split second after I dipped them in hot water. Some other parts of the same decal sheet did not do that and applied fine. Furthermore, some broke apart into various pieces. I contacted Greg and he was very kind to supply me with a replacement sheet for free. Thanks for that, Greg! I really appreciate that. However, also on this replacement sheet the same strange thing occurred.

      Any solutions? Did I do something severely wrong?
      Never happened ever to me before with other decal brands but its bad statistics as its my first time using Draw Decals.

      Btw, once they are on the model as they should they look great!

      Merci!

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      Post #67584, posted on 06-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Alan,
      Thank you for the hair dryer suggestion....I've used it to get decals to settle down in the past. In this case not so good as they started to curl up on drying so the hair dryer just helped to blow them off the model....

      I'm surprised that no one else has had this problem.

      For Christian I've had good luck with Draw Decals through the years with the different types. Last time I used Draw Decals was on my 1/100 MD80 Continental kit for the windows/details. Pretty sure I used the decals as is and brushed Future over them after I applied them to the model.

      I suspect in both cases it has to do with coating the decals before use and the decal clear, inks, and coating all reacting differently when the decal starts to dry.

      For an old decal needing coating before to prevent shattering I don't know what the answer/solution would be. For a new decal at least one can be sure it won't shatter going in the water beforehand.

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      Post #67585, posted on 06-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      This problem only occurred to me many years ago when trying to use 1/72 Fujimi decals for their F-4 Phantom series. They just fell off and there was nothing I could do against that. My solution was going for aftermarket decals.

      However, I had some very recent issues with Draw Decals and wanted to ask if you know how to solve/circumvent that problem i ran into.

      I know about using them in VERY hot water and so I did.
      I also tried pre-coating some of them.

      Whatever I tried, some decals started rolling up into a tightly packed cylinder form just a split second after I dipped them in hot water. Some other parts of the same decal sheet did not do that and applied fine. Furthermore, some broke apart into various pieces. I contacted Greg and he was very kind to supply me with a replacement sheet for free. Thanks for that, Greg! I really appreciate that. However, also on this replacement sheet the same strange thing occurred.

      Any solutions? Did I do something severely wrong?
      Never happened ever to me before with other decal brands but its bad statistics as its my first time using Draw Decals.

      Btw, once they are on the model as they should they look great!

      Merci!

      Christian



      I recently used a set of Draw decals, and I got a little bit of the curling as well on a door+window segment. The way I fixed it was to cut everything into a fairly rectangular shape and slide it off the backing paper across the short edge and right onto the model. That worked for me. I didn't pre-coat them in any way, just water, micro-set, and then sol after putting it on the model, and finally foam brush future when they're all dry.

      I likewise had an issue with the first set, I got the Delta citgo 757 scheme, and the widget was too small. Greg promptly sent me another set with a corrected widget. I'll post up the pics of the completed model in a few weeks hopefully. I've been very impressed with his customer service, and have since bought further decals from him for another project. We spend a lot of time griping abut bad suppliers, but I think it's good to call out the good ones as well.

      One additional comment on the latest digital silk thin (or 2.0 or whatever the buzzword is) decals: they're slightly stretchier than the previous ones, so for longer segments I like to slide them a bit off the paper with my thumb before grabbing them with tweezers to deploy. The tradeoff is that they conform to panel lines very well, so IMHO it's a good improvement.

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      Post #67586, posted on 06-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Old decals curling and current production Draw decals curling are two totally different kettles of fish. Draw decals are printed on a UV curing ink printer, which is completely different from silkscreen printed decals.

      Old silkscreen decals that curl are more than likely beyond repair for the mere mortal. Honestly, if a decal is more than about 20 years old (as a rule) I wouldn't bet my beautifully built model on them working. Some may be just fine, but others won't be. If I wanted to try, I'd use a piece of the decal that wasn't necessary for the model to test it before I even started construction.

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      Post #67590, posted on 06-29-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I ran into the curling problem with some homemade decals that I had covered with Microscale liquid decal film. I suspect the problem is the liquid film was not the same as whatever Bare Metal used for their clear film underneath, so the decal acted like a bi-metal strip and curled up. Uncoated decals worked fine.

      I've come to really like Draw Decals, now that I've figured out how to use them. I haven't had any of them curl up. I just use the same warm-ish water I use for normal decals to remove them from the paper, but once I position the decal on the model, I'll dip a paper towel in boiling water and press the decal into place. You sometimes have to slice the decal to get rid of lumps, but the I've had good luck getting them to lay down across the compound curves of a 737 nose.

      Ben