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      Post #66874, posted on 04-09-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Just saw beautiful build of an Airfix 727 where the builder opted to leave the wing fences on the trailing end of the wings. He said the person he was building it for said to just leave them where they were.


      I'm curious does anyone know how Airfix managed to place them at the rear of the wings instead of the front?? For the Airfix 747 the big rings around the engines can be "explained away" because the thrust reversers were deployed when the plane was measured or drawings consulted.

      But how in the heck would wing fences end up at the wrong end of the wings?

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      Post #66876, posted on 04-09-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      It was the 1960s...

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      Post #66877, posted on 04-09-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      What has amazed me, over the years, is how many wonderful modelers do not care to fix that detail. Simple fix.

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      Post #66878, posted on 04-09-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Jennings.....1960's or not I don't buy the date as an excuse for the company putting the fences on the wrong end of the wing

      Ellis.....I guess that leaving them the way they are IS EASIER though I agree that moving them isn't super difficult.

      Still hoping to hear a story about how the drawings were accidentally erased or the mold maker cut the mold on a Monday after a crazy weekend.

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      Post #66879, posted on 04-09-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      What drives me nuts is those planes winning any place in a contest. I watch (and judge) other categories, and hear about how a tank has the wrong fuel tank lid, so it is inaccurate and can't win. Yet, a gloriously glossed pristine 727 with said wrong wing fences and no antennae wins over my dirty UA 767 that is accurate with all details.

      Keep em separated!
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      Post #66880, posted on 04-10-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Jennings.....1960's or not I don't buy the date as an excuse for the company putting the fences on the wrong end of the wing



      Given that Airfix has gone through like six iterations of ownership and that the tooling was cut 50+ years ago, I seriously doubt you'll ever get an answer. The guy who did it is likely dead.

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      Post #66881, posted on 04-10-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Oh I'm certain that whomever put the fences at the back of the wing is no longer with us. Some stories like the Otaki L1011 molds have become oral history legends passed down through the years. I wonder if Clint Groves knew more about the wings? I believe the -100 was stretched to the -200 in 1982. I know the wings stayed the same. Wonder if there was any discussion about changing the fences then. Maybe the wing fences will always be a mystery. WTH was going on back then?


      As to judging it comes down to build quality as written in judging criteria which has been discussed here many times. The basics are judged first and details and accuracy later. A hypothetical of two IDENTICAL 727 models one having the wing fences at the back of the wing and the other with them at the front the one with the fences at the front should place higher. Now if the modeler "botched" moving the fences to the front ever so slightly then yes then the "stock/inaccurate" model would place higher. This idea/concept should be written in the fine print of judging for the contest.

      Judging is a science/art and the judges are human and capable of missing things. If you aren't happy with how things are decided I encourage people to follow up and politely ask questions. Get involved in judging yourself as well.

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      Post #66888, posted on 04-10-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Speaking of "...how in the heck?..." How could Revell of Germany, who seem reasonably attentive to detail, fail to omit the secondary flap track fairings on the wings of their A320 and A319 kits? Ok...their A320 kit has the same wing as their A321 so "why bother?" seeing as the issue is correctable without undue effort.

      On the other hand, the wing of their A319 kit, while similar, is from a different mold inasmuch as it will not fit a RofG A320 or A321 fuselage whereas the wings of the latter two are interchangeable. And since their A320 and A319 kits have been in production simultaneously, each has its own wing molds. So while I can cut RofG some slack due to the overall quality of their A319 kits, they are IMHO 'without excuse' for leaving the secondary flap track fairings on the kit's wings.

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      Post #66889, posted on 04-10-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      You guys are assuming that everyone involved in the production of an airliner kit knows anything about airliners. More often than not, they know *nothing* whatsoever about them. Somebody says "we are doing an A320" and that's the limit of their knowledge base. They hire people to do the design based on how much they're willing to be paid, not on how much they know about the subject.