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      Post #66698, posted on 03-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi all

      Would like to build one 144 742 in CAAC scheme.

      So which kit do you recommend, Revell or Dragon?

      Thank you.

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      Post #66699, posted on 03-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Revell. Dragon's is a really awful excuse for a waste of styrene.

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      Post #66707, posted on 03-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Authentic Airliners, hands down. Yes, you may need to auction off a kidney for one, but if you really want an accurate 742, or any 747, for that matter, it's really the only way to go.

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      Post #66708, posted on 03-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Another vote for Revell. After all these years it still holds up well - plus it's affordable, easy to find, and not complicated to build.

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      Post #66709, posted on 03-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I also like the Revell. Just sand off all the raised panel lines and replace the engine fans (or add Braz resin engines).

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      Post #66710, posted on 03-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      The Revell kit has the early -100 style engine pylons, so for a CAAC -200 you'd need the later style pylons.

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      Post #66712, posted on 03-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I just finished a Revell 747-400 (http://www.airlinercafe.com/photo_20402.details). It was a bear to make some of the kit parts fit properly; wing joints with incorrect dihedral, wing gear struts not the correct length to match the fuselage ones, fuselage gear housing didn't fit precisely, filling in, etc. I also have the Revell 747-100 unbuilt yet...it seems to be better quality plastic, a smidge heavier and sturdier, and I've test fitted many of the larger parts; they seem to fit fine, so it'll be something to look forward to. I would agree that the AA 747s would be THE way to go, but they are quite pricey. For us folks that haven't yet stepped up to that plate, I would recommend the Revell kits, but beware before you build; the kits present some challenges, none of which are insurmountable, and none of which cannot be tackled with patience, elbow grease, and some creativity.

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      Post #66714, posted on 03-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      The Revell 747-100/200 (which is what the original question was about) is a better kit in almost all respects than the -400 although it's much older. The only real issue is the poor engines especially in the E-4B but these are easily replaced with BraZ items. Nobody has mentioned that you may have to sand away the hump behind the upper deck depending on the individual aircraft you're modelling but that is a simple job.

      With the -400 you need to fix the nose shape and, much more difficult, cut out and re-attach the wing roots to correct the wing incidence. If you don't do that the sit of the engines, particularly the outers, is wrong to the point of looking silly and you simply can't make an accurate model. See the post from Tony Edmundson in this thread: http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235004314-revell-klm-747-400-1144/

      I'd build the Revell -100/200 without hesitation but for the -400 I'd save up for Authentic Airliners.

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      Post #66715, posted on 03-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Regarding the Revell 747-100, one way to help is to find an older issue of the kit if possible. That tool has been reissued so many times in so many guises, and the farther away from the 1970s you get the more flash and fit issues you'll find. It was never a Tamiya-caliber kit to begin with, but older issues will help the builder avoid some of the things that happen as a mold ages and gets tired.

      The -100 kit is a whole different animal from the -400 kit, and has a lot more fidelity to the real aircraft than the -400 kit. I've never quite liked the -100 kit's engines in any release (the JT9s of the P&W-powered release look scrawny, and lack of a decent set of CF6s is what keeps me from completing my E-4B), but the rest of the kit looks great once you sand off the raised fuselage details that are typical of the era. There are other little tweaks here and there, but not much is needed to make this kit look really good.

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      Post #66717, posted on 03-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      ..... lack of a decent set of CF6s is what keeps me from completing my E-4B.....

      Jodie Peeler



      I was thinking of buying a set of BraZ CF6s for a future project. Is there a problem with them?

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      Post #66718, posted on 03-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      I was thinking of buying a set of BraZ CF6s for a future project. Is there a problem with them?



      I've never seen a set of them in person, so I'd appreciate an opinion myself. I've had both good and bad experiences with BraZ products, so I like to see them before I commit money and effort. But if the CF6s are good I'd certainly be interested in a set so I can get the E-4B done.

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      Post #66719, posted on 03-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Hi Jodie,

      You can view these engines on Braz website which is www.brazmodels.com. Looking at the photos of GE CF6 for the B-742/743 looks exactly like the ones that comes with the kit. I have their PW4056 for the B-744 which is horrible and I mean horrible because they don't come not even close to those engines. I'd rather wait for Kurt to make those engines and I can't wait to RECIEVE MY BOEING-747-400 WITH PW4056 ENGINES.🤑👍

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      Post #66721, posted on 03-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      There is also the Welsh Models kit which comes with the early or late style pylons as well as RR RB211s.

      All the best
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      Post #66723, posted on 03-29-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I would try to find the JT9D's from Welsh. They were nearly perfect -- closest I have seen to the real engines.

      For GE CF6-50 types, I would seek the Airbus A300 engines and kit bash (these kits are really cheap). Just change the pylons for the 747 by following diagrams or pictures that are published. The spinners are as close as I have seen on any plane to being authentic.

      Both of these engine options are the best that I have found after many years of working on the 747-100's, 200's and SP's. Still need to make a 300 someday.

      The Braz CF6's are ok, but they have an odd wide opening in the jet exhaust -- diameter is too wide. You could cut off and shrink, glue, sand and puddy. But, this is a lot more work. Also, the spinners are a bit too small.

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      Post #66726, posted on 03-29-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      IIRC, Clint at ATP used to sell the Airfix A300 engines as a set for the 747. Ahmed?

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      For GE CF6-50 types, I would seek the Airbus A300 engines and kit bash (these kits are really cheap). Just change the pylons for the 747 by following diagrams or pictures that are published. The spinners are as close as I have seen on any plane to being authentic.




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      Post #66727, posted on 03-29-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Yes he did, but I think they were long gone by the time I got to know Clint. While the pylons are not correct for a 747, the engines are very accurate.

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      Post #66728, posted on 03-29-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Can someone elaborate on the differing engine pylons between the -100 and -200 747's. News to me.

      Ken


      The Revell kit has the early -100 style engine pylons, so for a CAAC -200 you'd need the later style pylons.

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      Post #66730, posted on 03-30-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Can someone elaborate on the differing engine pylons between the -100 and -200 747's. News to me.

      Ken



      Ken,

      Look at Revell's 747 pylons, then look at any PW powered 747-300 pylons.

      The most visible difference (there may be other) comes from the trailing edge, which was a different contour, not a gentle curve as on early 747-100, 747-200 and the 747SP.

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      Post #66731, posted on 03-30-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Early PW (outer) pylon

      Late PW (outer) pylon

      Same principle applies to the inner pylons, early/late.

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      Post #66732, posted on 03-30-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I will second what most said here, the original 747-100 from Revell is very good, even if it is becoming truly ancient it captures lots of small details that Dragon simply passes over.

      For a CAAC bird you should get Welsh's JT9D-7 which are, as DullesFlyer, stated, very very good, or Authentic Airliner's gems but I am not sure if they will be available separately :

      AA's PW with early pylons

      AA's PW with late pylons

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