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      Post #66572, posted on 03-22-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      There are two new 1/144 injection molded MD-11's I have been looking at. One by Mikromir , the other is Eastern Express. I have heard they are both the same model just in different boxes. Does anyone know if this is true ?

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      Post #66574, posted on 03-22-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I'm 99.99% sure it is the same plastic. The recent reboxing by 26Decals is as well.

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      Post #66575, posted on 03-22-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      ^ I'll go .01% better. 100% sure.

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      Post #66576, posted on 03-22-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      And a splendid kit at that. Its overall quality (molding quality, accuracy, detailing) means it can, IMHO, no longer be considered short run stuff. It is that good and the 26 Decals releases look like a great deal.

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      Post #66579, posted on 03-22-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Has there been any mention of a PW4000 version? The only one I'd want to do is DL, and I flew on one of their PW powered ones.

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      Post #66581, posted on 03-22-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Has there been any mention of a PW4000 version? The only one I'd want to do is DL, and I flew on one of their PW powered ones.



      Per a reference here, the owner of MikroMir confirms a P&W variant is coming:

      http://www.airlinercafe.com/forums.php?m=posts&p=65146#65146

      An accurate set of Delta 1997-livery decals would be most welcome....

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      Post #66582, posted on 03-22-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I've seen a reference saying that, in the Eastern Express KLM kit, the stripes are printed in black rather than blue. Can anyone confirm this?

      Thanks,

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      Post #66625, posted on 03-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Always wondering why they cannot make the cabin windows by several clear parts?

      Such a waste.

      A solid body airliner kit makes it no difference from a diecast finished model.

      Make what you like, like what you make

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      Post #66626, posted on 03-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Always wondering why they cannot make the cabin windows by several clear parts?

      Such a waste.

      A solid body airliner kit makes it no difference from a diecast finished model.



      Because it is basically 50/50. Some will ask for clear windows, some will ask for solid fuselage.

      If they do solid fuselage, you will be annoyed.

      If they do clear windows, I will be annoyed.

      They cannot please everybody.

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      Post #66627, posted on 03-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Always wondering why they cannot make the cabin windows by several clear parts?

      Such a waste.

      A solid body airliner kit makes it no difference from a diecast finished model.



      Because it is basically 50/50. Some will ask for clear windows, some will ask for solid fuselage.

      If they do solid fuselage, you will be annoyed.

      If they do clear windows, I will be annoyed.

      They cannot please everybody.


      That's exactly my wondering
      Why there are people who favor of solid window
      So toyish
      Even no advantage compared with those factory mass made diecast models

      Make what you like, like what you make

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      Post #66629, posted on 03-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      With all due respect, there are an equal number of folks who think clear windows in a 1/144 or 1/200 model look toyish... It really is a no-win situation. As far as resin kits, and the experts can certainly correct me, but producing them with open windows substantially drives up the cost and increases the difficulty in production. Not to mention then having to produce clear parts, if they don't mold the entire kit in clear resin. All of which drives up the cost of kits that are already on the more expensive side.

      Even among those who prefer decal windows there isn't agreement. Some want dark gray windows, some want black windows, some want the pseudo-photo type that Authentic Airliners provides. And among those three camps, there are strong opinions that the other options look toyish and silly.

      In the end, it comes down to cost and the personal preferences of the folks producing the kits.

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      Post #66630, posted on 03-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Here's the bottom line: some models have open windows. Some models don't have open windows. There is nothing anyone here can do about either situation, so anything else is just a waste of bandwidth.

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      Post #66633, posted on 03-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      That's exactly my wondering
      Why there are people who favor of solid window



      Different modellers, different tastes, not wrong tastes.


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      So toyish
      Even no advantage compared with those factory mass made diecast models



      Diecast models cater for a different type of collectors. Because you don't like them does not mean they are toyish.

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      Post #66634, posted on 03-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Always wondering why they cannot make the cabin windows by several clear parts?

      Such a waste.

      A solid body airliner kit makes it no difference from a diecast finished model.



      There were people in this hobby long before you were born, so don't presume to think that your opinions and tastes are better than anyone else's. You'll get much further in life by doing that in every situation, and you'll have a lot more friends on this site if you do it here.

      Just a friendly word of advice.

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      Post #66636, posted on 03-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      For those who prefer window decals, like myself, there can be another consideration: Boeing using the same window size on the 727 through 747-400. Among the decal vendors, the window size will vary for these aircraft types. Also true with Airbus narrow and widebody window decals. Nevertheless, I have been using window decals since the '80s. I select a window size that I think is accurate and try to use that for conformity. Thus, I likely avoid decals where the windows are preprinted in a livery for that reason.

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      Post #66638, posted on 03-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      planecrazy :Boeing using the same window size on the 727 through 747-400.



      And on some (customer option) 707s as well. Very few people know there are two sizes of cabin windows available on early 707s. On the Intercontinentals they standardized on the smaller size. When the 727 came along, customer feedback had indicated a preference for the larger size, so that became the standard. The 767-400 is the only exception to the standard size until you get to the 777 family.

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      Post #66639, posted on 03-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks for that...just add window size to the many exceptions among the 707 family.

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      Post #66644, posted on 03-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Back to the MD-11 discussion.......the window debate is an endless loop
      I also understand a P&W modelis planned. Would love to see it in Martinair CARGO colours. Those freighters sure got beat up in their final years with that airline. Look forward to putting a hefty layer of grime on my model

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      Post #66648, posted on 03-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Back to the MD-11 discussion.......the window debate is an endless loop
      I also understand a P&W modelis planned. Would love to see it in Martinair CARGO colours. Those freighters sure got beat up in their final years with that airline. Look forward to putting a hefty layer of grime on my model



      I will second the Martinair, though I would prefer to see the older design. I would also like to throw-in both the old Swissair livery along with LTU.

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      Post #66651, posted on 03-25-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks everyone for your answers,suggestions,and opinions. Very helpful in making my decision to buy a couple of the new MD-11 kits

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      Post #66660, posted on 03-25-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Has there been any mention of a PW4000 version? The only one I'd want to do is DL, and I flew on one of their PW powered ones.



      Per a reference here, the owner of MikroMir confirms a P&W variant is coming:

      http://www.airlinercafe.com/forums.php?m=posts&p=65146#65146

      An accurate set of Delta 1997-livery decals would be most welcome....

      Jodie Peeler



      On the side of the Eastern Express KLM MD-11 kit's box is a picture of a JAL 'J-Bird' MD-11 for future release so it looks like a P&W powered version features in their plans.

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      Post #66665, posted on 03-25-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Delta widget for me then! Although I'm not sure why - my one and only round trip on an MD-11 was PDX - NRT and was one of the worst trips of my life. DL wouldn't allow steerage passengers to use the business/first class lavs. I was seated in the first row of steerage, against the bulkhead. The entire way from PDX to NRT people crawled over my feet to get from one side to the other to use the steerage lavs. Sleep? Who needs sleep?

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      Post #67191, posted on 05-06-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I notice that Welsh Models have released a set of resin P&W engines for this kit priced at 22.50. As Eastern Express have declared their intention to release a P&W version themselves (picture of JAL 'J-Bird' version on the side of the box), who is going to shell out half the price of the model for a set of engines that will be available in the kit anyway? Or are Welsh Models just trying recoup some of their outlay by offloading the engines that they are unlikely to be selling in their expensive vacform MD-11 kits?

      Al