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      Post #66044, posted on 02-12-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      http://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-757-pilot-reveals-737-not-replacement-2016-11

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      Post #66046, posted on 02-12-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Very interesting article.

      The 737 in any incarnation will never come close to the performance of the 757.

      I have always wondered just what the potential of a next-gen or neo (max) version of the 757 would be capable of performing.

      Thirty years after the 757 design, Airbus is trying to achieve this with their A321 neo LR.

      Thanks for posting

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      Post #66047, posted on 02-12-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      A friend of mine is a 757 captain for American. Years ago he was taking off from La Paz, Bolivia where the airport is at over 13,000 MSL. They hit a flock of birds and lost #1, and he said even with a full fuel load and passengers, they barely noticed it and kept right on climbing.

      The 757 was a victim of its time. I know Boeing looked into updating it, but I think they basically ran out of resources and had to put their eggs in what was perceived to be the most profitable basket at the time. There's no chance we'll see a resurrected, updated 757, but I suspect whatever comes down the pike to replace the 737 MAX family (when it does eventually come) will be much more like a souped up 757 than a 737.

      I've flown 757s transatlantic twice, and loved it both times. I much prefer a single aisle airplane, as it's not as big a cattle call for boarding, deplaning, and baggage claim.

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      Post #66048, posted on 02-12-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I love the 757. I've flown them on flights as short as DFW-TUL and as long as CLT-DUB. My biggest problem with them is that American (I stick with one world as I have status w/them) has not updated the interiors at all. I'm sorry but in 2017 every seat should have some sort of IFE. They are getting a new J seat but Economy will stay the same.... My only TATL flight on the 757 was in J so not much of an issue. But I also go out of my way to avoid flying them on longer segments.

      As far as the 737 max being a replacement? I'm still not sold. The 757 was way "over powered" giving it the short/high field performance mentioned. That's simply not possible with the 737 due to the gear length (as mentioned). The 737 simply doesn't allow a big enough engine to produce the same power that the 757 has. Additionally, from what I understand is that the 757 is very heavy as the air frame was "over built." Because of that, even a NEO option probably not see the sorts of operating improvement that would make the program profitable. Will the A321 NEO replace the 757? Maybe... That remains to be seen.

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      Post #66049, posted on 02-12-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Interesting article there. While the 757 has unique capabilities due to its big and thick wing and big engines, those mean more weight and fuel burn. When the A321-200 and 757-200 were both on sale between 1998 and 2004, the A321 won most of the deals because it could do most of the same missions more cheaply. Same reason Airbus sold more A340-300s than 500s when both were on sale: the 500 was overbuilt for most missions and burned more fuel.

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      Post #66050, posted on 02-12-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      BruinPrideBand :I'm sorry but in 2017 every seat should have some sort of IFE.



      LOL!! I flew an ex-USAirways American A321 that was delivered NEW in 2012 that didn't have that. And contrary to American's claim on its web site, it didn't even have USB or 120v AC at each seat. And the interior panels rattled like a Tin Lizzie all the freaking way across the country.

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      Post #66051, posted on 02-12-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      BruinPrideBand :I'm sorry but in 2017 every seat should have some sort of IFE.



      LOL!! I flew an ex-USAirways American A321 that was delivered NEW in 2012 that didn't have that. And contrary to American's claim on its web site, it didn't even have USB or 120v AC at each seat. And the interior panels rattled like a Tin Lizzie all the freaking way across the country.



      My apologies... I was referring to TATL and TPAC flights... Not domestic. And of course by IFE I mean some sort of seat back entertainment or the passing out of a tablet (As in the AA 757s and 767 in J).

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      Post #66054, posted on 02-12-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Domestic or otherwise. As you say, it's 2017! Sitting in a rattle trap A321 for five hours without anything but a DVD on a tiny screen two seats away, and no way to charge a device is ridiculous. If the airplane had been 30 years old I might have understood it, but it was less than 4 years old.

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      Post #66055, posted on 02-12-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I hear what you're saying. American is going to stop having in-seat IFE on its new delivery narrow bodies and will be offering streaming IFE instead. So now to have IFE you are going to have to bring a laptop or tablet with you. Welcome to the race to the bottom.

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      Post #66056, posted on 02-12-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Yet another reason I will never fly AA if given the choice.

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      Post #66063, posted on 02-13-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Lufthansa hasn't still yet IFE in its narrow body continental fleet!
      Neither in-seat nor streaming....in 2017!
      Flew A320 first time 1994 FRA-BCN with IBERIA and they had IFE monitors
      each 5th row or so at that time! Amazing!
      Most flights in Europe are within 2hrs limit - or lower.
      Maybe LH's philosophy is: Today everyone has a smart phone
      with personal entertainment included - no IFE required.
      Let's save money for investment!

      Anyway, love the 757 and it's an all-round plane for
      scheduled short continental routes as well as
      transatlantic services (NORTHWEST flew a while to FRA with 757)
      and fits for charter services as good as for cargo flights.
      Flew the 757 several times between FRA-LHR with BA
      and also on Condor's charter. It is a great plane!

      But think the 757 was Boeing's Cinderella. Too bad.
      The 737 was stretched and updated to infinity while
      the construction is about 50 years old and reached its limits.
      It is as it is. At some point the end of the flagpole is reached
      The range of a 737 MAX would never reach the range of the 757.
      A complete new wing would be necessary.

      The same with the A321. The wing is too small to compete
      with 757's range.

      Believe that 737 MAX - if ever built - will become a low-seller,
      a flop for Boeing. Enough examples for "updated" old constructions
      that airlines didn't want: MD-90, MD-11, 747-8I....

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      Post #66066, posted on 02-13-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      I hear what you're saying. American is going to stop having in-seat IFE on its new delivery narrow bodies and will be offering streaming IFE instead. So now to have IFE you are going to have to bring a laptop or tablet with you. Welcome to the race to the bottom.


      I don't know. I rather despise paying for IFE and travel with a laptop anyway, so as long as the wifi is free it's okay with me. I'm also old school and bring a book along or a crossword puzzle to work on. If eliminating the IFE reduces costs, especially maintenance, it's perfectly fine for shorter hops. And, do think about the maintenance and safety.

      Swissair Flight 111 was arguably lost due to IFE related electrical issues causing the fatal fire. Anything that can be removed from an airplane that reduces weight and complexity is a good thing, generally. I'm not saying that IFE regularly brings down planes or anything hyperbolic, just that simplifying and reducing an aircraft's systems isn't a bad thing on a number of levels. Passenger comfort also comes to mind. If you've flown United's economy class lately, as I did on a 757 to OGG this past December, the IFE hookup boxes are underneath the seat in front of you, blocking where one foot will go and turning you into a human pretzel.

      The real test will be whether American has the guts to lock the seats up, preventing reclining. You can't very well use your laptop or tablet if the guy in front of you reclines all of the way. If they don't lock out the seats for short non-IFE equipped flights, then this will go very badly.

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      Post #66067, posted on 02-13-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Honestly, it makes me want to drive these days... I'm about to fly from KTUS to KRDU, and the entire trip back is on Jungle Jets. All the way across the continent. Oh goody.

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      Post #66077, posted on 02-13-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      They've about taken the fun right out of it. When I lived in Chicago one of my (many) other hobbies was Mileage running. Flying all over the world chasing status and miles. I had a lot of fun doing so. Now the frequent flyer programs are shadows of their former selves. Seat pitch is less and less. Nothing like it used to be.

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