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      Post #65797, posted on 01-29-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Spy shots of one more novelty from Eastern Express

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      Post #65799, posted on 01-29-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Wow! I did not expect to ever see this in injection molded plastic. I hope the quality will be half-way decent. I have one Welsh vacform to fall back on otherwise.

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      Post #65802, posted on 01-29-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Interesting. From what I can see it looks good. I sure hope they'll do the whole MD-80/90 series. They're about 98% of the way there with the MD-87.

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      Post #65803, posted on 01-29-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Between Kurt's 747's. The EE MD-11 and now this... I'm considering myself spoiled. Count me in for a few!

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      Post #65804, posted on 01-29-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Not much to see....3 CGI's....

      But a very nice box art! 👍

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      Post #65806, posted on 01-30-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Between Kurt's 747's. The EE MD-11 and now this... I'm considering myself spoiled. Count me in for a few!

      Chris



      Don't get too excited and wait until we see the plastic. The MD-87 may turn out to be good but we are talking about Eastern Express who have produced some truly awful kits such as the A318 and whose concept of accuracy is, at best, erratic.

      Building an accurate MD-87 by using a Minicraft kit and a BraZ fin is one of the easiest airliner conversions.

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      Post #65807, posted on 01-30-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Being sceptic I would say we will get a shortened version of the Minicraft stuff....
      But nothing could be better than being surprised...

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      Post #65808, posted on 01-30-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Nothing wrong with a shorter Minicraft kit considering is one of their best efforts
      I like the Welsh kit as well.
      I do wonder how EE gets away with reproducing other manufacturers
      Kits?

      Any way, I love to do another Reno Air MD-87


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      Post #65810, posted on 01-30-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Being sceptic I would say we will get a shortened version of the Minicraft stuff....
      But nothing could be better than being surprised...

      Uwe



      quite sure this is not the case here.
      The Minicraft Cockpit part looks different (wrong) and this is a CAD design, which wouldnt make sense at all when copying the MC MD80 kit.
      As far as i can guess, this is the next step with mikromir. CAD design looks like the MD-11 and it makes sense. As Jennings said, this allready looks quite good. And the Mikromir MD11 was like their CAD drawing. So i guess, we could get a new benchmark in the MD series. Really nice. The price would be interesting.

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      Post #65813, posted on 01-30-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I hope this kit will include the downward kink in the forward leading edge of the wing, near the fuselage, peculiar to the MD-80 series

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      Post #65831, posted on 01-31-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      waltmertins :I do wonder how EE gets away with reproducing other manufacturers Kits?



      Who's going to stop them? There is no rule of law in Russia, and nobody from the west can make them stop.

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      Post #65837, posted on 02-01-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      waltmertins :I do wonder how EE gets away with reproducing other manufacturers Kits?



      Who's going to stop them? There is no rule of law in Russia, and nobody from the west can make them stop.



      The best way (probably the only way) to stop them is not to buy their products. I know I keep banging on about their A318 but I want to make sure that as few people as possible buy it. It's a bad rip-off of Revell parts and in the UK it sells for around 21. You can buy a Revell A319 for around 11, do your own A318 conversion, end up with a better model and save 10. As long as gullible and ill-informed modellers keep buying stuff like this the Eastern Expresses of the world will keep on producing it.

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      Post #65840, posted on 02-01-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Jennings : Who's going to stop them? There is no rule of law in Russia, and nobody from the west can make them stop.



      Well, Russia actually has quite a lot of copyright law, mostly transposed from world statute books, and plenty of doggedly pursued lawsuits. You know, music and the like... I know because I have translated some related stuff.

      Hence probably the reason for odd kit titles like "B733" or "Aerobus 318." Now that even Russian airframers have cottoned-on to the (frankly appalling) idea of product licensing/merchandising, we even have odd-titled kits of indigenous aircraft, like "Civil Air Liner 40 Export" or "Turbo-Prop Liner 24V." Yakovlev are said to be especially intractable.

      But the fact remains that no outfit the size and resource of Minicraft or even Revell Germany would lightly devote $$$$$$s to pursuing lawsuits -- especially in an arena as inherently hostile to the West as Putin's Russia is. Not to mention the fact that EE and other Russian kit makers are new-generation, hyper-flexible, elusive outfits offering legal eagles scant chance of pinpointing and tracking them down.

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      On the MD-87, a possibly important note on the Russian forum which broke the news is "and not only" (set in bold and underlined). This opens up plenty of room for speculaton. A follow-up MD-80? An MD-90?

      And my personal feeling is the kit will be all-new and will set right Minicraft issues (menioned above) like the inboard leading edge droop, slightly too-fat nose profile, fin base intake, featureless tailfin, and general paucity of small detail like mudguards. Fingers, as ever, crossed! Let's hope that EE have ended the era of "primitive capital accumulation" (757, 777, A318) and that their L-1011 and MD-11 signal a move to altogether better quality.

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      Post #65841, posted on 02-01-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      a CAD design, which wouldnt make sense at all when copying the MC MD80 kit.



      Actually, a mainstream discipline within CAD/CAM involves "reverse engineering" by three dimensional scanning of an original, its reproduction in a 3D virtual model, and its remanufacturing into a solid copy.

      Until four or five years ago, precision 3D scanning was limited to objects larger than, say, a key -- you got a defocused image of a key, but not the precise serrations along its edge, and definitely not the maker's name, emblems and other accoutrements. The latest developments are easily able to scan even a tiny coin in amazing detail. Moreover, the time taken to produce a high resolution scan of the said penny is under a minute.

      And the cost of the software? Nothing! It is freely available for downloads online, with a huge forum where all queries are competently answered in great detail.

      What about the cost of the hardware, then? Well, all you need in the way of hardware is a battery operated torch -- plus an ordinary computer camera, which is standard fitting on 99 percent of laptops or smartphones, or else costs about $20.

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      Post #65863, posted on 02-02-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Maybe they just swap the molds as Amodel and EE do
      and Zvezda / Revell as well?

      On similar kits (e.g. AN-24) is a stamp on the sprue.
      Maybe the owner of molds is not the kit maker?
      And he just lend it to Zvezda, EE, Amodel etc.?
      Maybe the business in this way works?

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      Post #65876, posted on 02-03-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Maybe they just swap the molds


      Tools are not usually swapped (tools are for injection moulding and vacforming, and moulds for resin casting). Usually, the tool owner simply manufactures a run for whoever has ordered it, and that is all. The run might be shipped in nylon bags or boxed and made up into kits with decals and instructions in pre-supplied packaging.

      Tooled-in logos are not a problem. They can either be blocked out, or copies made without them, or with someone else's logo.

      Revell is extremely unlikely to buy EE since EE's design does not meet accustomed Revell criteria: EE kits are mostly from short run tooling , have no window apertures, and lack other Revell peculiarities. Upon opening the kit, typical Revell buyers (12-15 year old lads in craft or stationery shops; NOT us!) would find someting they might well find disappointing ("Ugh! They've given us a reject, Daddy! It's got no window holes...").

      Now, the short run tooling used by EE is truly amazing and incredible; it is genuine breakthrough short run tooling. But it is still short run tooling, with plenty of thin runners (and hence many more places to cut parts off), and it will deteriorate faster and produce a rising number of defects (warpage, sinkage, short shots, flash).

      Also EE might not meet Revell criteria on quality assurance, health and safety, environmental certification, copyright protection (yesss...), licencing/merchandising rights, and what-have-you...

      Revell might well, however, buy Roden-made or similar kits, as they already did with the ICM Tu-144D.