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      Post #65797, posted on 01-29-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Spy shots of one more novelty from Eastern Express

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      Post #65799, posted on 01-29-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Wow! I did not expect to ever see this in injection molded plastic. I hope the quality will be half-way decent. I have one Welsh vacform to fall back on otherwise.

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      Post #65802, posted on 01-29-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Interesting. From what I can see it looks good. I sure hope they'll do the whole MD-80/90 series. They're about 98% of the way there with the MD-87.

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      Post #65803, posted on 01-29-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Between Kurt's 747's. The EE MD-11 and now this... I'm considering myself spoiled. Count me in for a few!

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      Post #65804, posted on 01-29-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Not much to see....3 CGI's....

      But a very nice box art! 👍

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      Post #65806, posted on 01-30-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Between Kurt's 747's. The EE MD-11 and now this... I'm considering myself spoiled. Count me in for a few!

      Chris



      Don't get too excited and wait until we see the plastic. The MD-87 may turn out to be good but we are talking about Eastern Express who have produced some truly awful kits such as the A318 and whose concept of accuracy is, at best, erratic.

      Building an accurate MD-87 by using a Minicraft kit and a BraZ fin is one of the easiest airliner conversions.

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      Post #65807, posted on 01-30-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Being sceptic I would say we will get a shortened version of the Minicraft stuff....
      But nothing could be better than being surprised...

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      Post #65808, posted on 01-30-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Nothing wrong with a shorter Minicraft kit considering is one of their best efforts
      I like the Welsh kit as well.
      I do wonder how EE gets away with reproducing other manufacturers
      Kits?

      Any way, I love to do another Reno Air MD-87


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      Post #65810, posted on 01-30-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Being sceptic I would say we will get a shortened version of the Minicraft stuff....
      But nothing could be better than being surprised...

      Uwe



      quite sure this is not the case here.
      The Minicraft Cockpit part looks different (wrong) and this is a CAD design, which wouldnt make sense at all when copying the MC MD80 kit.
      As far as i can guess, this is the next step with mikromir. CAD design looks like the MD-11 and it makes sense. As Jennings said, this allready looks quite good. And the Mikromir MD11 was like their CAD drawing. So i guess, we could get a new benchmark in the MD series. Really nice. The price would be interesting.

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      Post #65813, posted on 01-30-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I hope this kit will include the downward kink in the forward leading edge of the wing, near the fuselage, peculiar to the MD-80 series

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      Post #65831, posted on 01-31-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      waltmertins :I do wonder how EE gets away with reproducing other manufacturers Kits?



      Who's going to stop them? There is no rule of law in Russia, and nobody from the west can make them stop.

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      Post #65837, posted on 02-01-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      waltmertins :I do wonder how EE gets away with reproducing other manufacturers Kits?



      Who's going to stop them? There is no rule of law in Russia, and nobody from the west can make them stop.



      The best way (probably the only way) to stop them is not to buy their products. I know I keep banging on about their A318 but I want to make sure that as few people as possible buy it. It's a bad rip-off of Revell parts and in the UK it sells for around £21. You can buy a Revell A319 for around £11, do your own A318 conversion, end up with a better model and save £10. As long as gullible and ill-informed modellers keep buying stuff like this the Eastern Expresses of the world will keep on producing it.

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      Post #65840, posted on 02-01-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Jennings : Who's going to stop them? There is no rule of law in Russia, and nobody from the west can make them stop.



      Well, Russia actually has quite a lot of copyright law, mostly transposed from world statute books, and plenty of doggedly pursued lawsuits. You know, music and the like... I know because I have translated some related stuff.

      Hence probably the reason for odd kit titles like "B733" or "Aerobus 318." Now that even Russian airframers have cottoned-on to the (frankly appalling) idea of product licensing/merchandising, we even have odd-titled kits of indigenous aircraft, like "Civil Air Liner 40 Export" or "Turbo-Prop Liner 24V." Yakovlev are said to be especially intractable.

      But the fact remains that no outfit the size and resource of Minicraft or even Revell Germany would lightly devote $$$$$$s to pursuing lawsuits -- especially in an arena as inherently hostile to the West as Putin's Russia is. Not to mention the fact that EE and other Russian kit makers are new-generation, hyper-flexible, elusive outfits offering legal eagles scant chance of pinpointing and tracking them down.

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      On the MD-87, a possibly important note on the Russian forum which broke the news is "and not only" (set in bold and underlined). This opens up plenty of room for speculaton. A follow-up MD-80? An MD-90?

      And my personal feeling is the kit will be all-new and will set right Minicraft issues (menioned above) like the inboard leading edge droop, slightly too-fat nose profile, fin base intake, featureless tailfin, and general paucity of small detail like mudguards. Fingers, as ever, crossed! Let's hope that EE have ended the era of "primitive capital accumulation" (757, 777, A318) and that their L-1011 and MD-11 signal a move to altogether better quality.

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      Post #65841, posted on 02-01-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      a CAD design, which wouldnt make sense at all when copying the MC MD80 kit.



      Actually, a mainstream discipline within CAD/CAM involves "reverse engineering" by three dimensional scanning of an original, its reproduction in a 3D virtual model, and its remanufacturing into a solid copy.

      Until four or five years ago, precision 3D scanning was limited to objects larger than, say, a key -- you got a defocused image of a key, but not the precise serrations along its edge, and definitely not the maker's name, emblems and other accoutrements. The latest developments are easily able to scan even a tiny coin in amazing detail. Moreover, the time taken to produce a high resolution scan of the said penny is under a minute.

      And the cost of the software? Nothing! It is freely available for downloads online, with a huge forum where all queries are competently answered in great detail.

      What about the cost of the hardware, then? Well, all you need in the way of hardware is a battery operated torch -- plus an ordinary computer camera, which is standard fitting on 99 percent of laptops or smartphones, or else costs about $20.

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      Post #65863, posted on 02-02-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Maybe they just swap the molds as Amodel and EE do
      and Zvezda / Revell as well?

      On similar kits (e.g. AN-24) is a stamp on the sprue.
      Maybe the owner of molds is not the kit maker?
      And he just lend it to Zvezda, EE, Amodel etc.?
      Maybe the business in this way works?

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      Post #65876, posted on 02-03-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Maybe they just swap the molds


      Tools are not usually swapped (tools are for injection moulding and vacforming, and moulds for resin casting). Usually, the tool owner simply manufactures a run for whoever has ordered it, and that is all. The run might be shipped in nylon bags or boxed and made up into kits with decals and instructions in pre-supplied packaging.

      Tooled-in logos are not a problem. They can either be blocked out, or copies made without them, or with someone else's logo.

      Revell is extremely unlikely to buy EE since EE's design does not meet accustomed Revell criteria: EE kits are mostly from short run tooling , have no window apertures, and lack other Revell peculiarities. Upon opening the kit, typical Revell buyers (12-15 year old lads in craft or stationery shops; NOT us!) would find someting they might well find disappointing ("Ugh! They've given us a reject, Daddy! It's got no window holes...").

      Now, the short run tooling used by EE is truly amazing and incredible; it is genuine breakthrough short run tooling. But it is still short run tooling, with plenty of thin runners (and hence many more places to cut parts off), and it will deteriorate faster and produce a rising number of defects (warpage, sinkage, short shots, flash).

      Also EE might not meet Revell criteria on quality assurance, health and safety, environmental certification, copyright protection (yesss...), licencing/merchandising rights, and what-have-you...

      Revell might well, however, buy Roden-made or similar kits, as they already did with the ICM Tu-144D.

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      Post #67150, posted on 05-04-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      As the author of the original post says: - A bit of positive from EE.







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      Post #67152, posted on 05-04-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Wow!!!! Fantastic!!

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      Post #67160, posted on 05-04-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      That looks exactly like minicrap md-80. After purchasing an eastern express MD-11 kit, I'll never again purchase another eastern express kit.

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      Post #67161, posted on 05-04-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Respectfully, no it doesn't. The tail is quite different, for example, as are the scribed lines on the wings and the attachment points for the engines. The Minicraft kit also has the wings plugging into the sides of the fuselage, while this one has an ventral wing/fuse part which appears to attach directly on the fuselage bottom like many other airliner models. I wouldn't be surprised if the Minicraft kit was a serious "inspiration" for this one as there are definite similarities, like how the nice strakes attach, but they are not quite the same kit. I have a Minicraft PSA boxing downstairs. I'll get it out and tun a comparison by tomorrow, if anyone wants one.

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      Post #67163, posted on 05-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      That looks exactly like minicrap md-80. After purchasing an eastern express MD-11 kit, I'll never again purchase another eastern express kit.



      I don't know why you refer to the "minicrap md-80". The Minicraft MD-80 is a very good kit which can be turned into an excellent model with a few simple corrections. The only real problem with it is lack of availability.

      The photograph doesn't look remotely like the Minicraft kit which doesn't have a cockpit interior and has totally different wings.

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      Post #67167, posted on 05-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I've built half a dozen Minicraft MD-80s over the years and currently have two on my bench... The photos above look nothing like the Minicraft kit. Granted we know nothing yet of the fit of the parts, but the amount of detail pictured is far above that of the Minicraft kit. I'm excited!

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      Post #67185, posted on 05-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Okay, I've had a chance to pull out the PSA boxing and I stand by my earlier statements. They are NOT the same model. I do see a few points of congruence, like how the nose strakes mount and the presumably clear canopy insert, but really nothing else that's readily apparent. The new kit has an actual cockpit with seats and an instrument panel, details on the insides of what I think are the gear doors, a different parts breakdown for the wings and engine mountings, and so on. I do think that the designers probably looked at the well-regarded Minicraft kit and examined how Minicraft addressed the subject (strakes and canopy part again), but most designers probably do that and there is far and away more that appears different from the Minicraft kit than the same. From what we've seen I don't think that indicates that the Minicraft kit was blatantly ripped off or copied. Indeed, this looks like a whole new kit, to me. I stand ready to be corrected when the actual model hits the shelves and we can all get our grubby little hands on it, but for now that's how it looks to me.

      Take care,

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      Post #67188, posted on 05-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Did someone say they need a Minicraft kit (or more)? PM me.

      This looks very promising. Another addition to the Wall of Hope.

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      Post #67190, posted on 05-06-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I think this looks very nice. Looks like they have added a lot of the missing details on the Minicraft kit. I see a even a cockpit dash and seats.
      Anybody heard when it hits the market place?

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      Post #67334, posted on 05-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      For very scrupulous / meticulous people (select the desired). Here is a comparison with the Minicraft kit.













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      Post #67342, posted on 05-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Looks great

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      Post #67344, posted on 05-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Excellent !!!!!!!!!

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      Post #67350, posted on 05-25-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      lovely!!!

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      Post #67351, posted on 05-25-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I'm impressed!! Going to have to pick up at least one of these!! Wonder if a MD-80 and/or MD-90 might be coming? Perhaps 717??

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      Post #67355, posted on 05-25-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      That's just superb. The Minicraft MD-80 looks so...plain now. Eastern Express has really stepped its game up, and even though I can't think of any MD-87 liveries I'd like to do I would still love to have a crack at this kit. I am looking forward to what's ahead.

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      Post #67356, posted on 05-25-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Very nice! There are quite a few MD-87 operators, Iberia, Finnair and Aeromexico come to mind, I think American and SAS had a few as well.

      Yes, an MD-90 of this caliber would be awesome!

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      Post #67380, posted on 05-29-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I'll model the single example I flew- Allegiant (making my own titles)- HSV-FLL for $19.00. And maybe an AeroMexico example - beautiful scheme on that aircraft.

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      Post #67393, posted on 05-30-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      It's out on eBay. 3 boxing's SAS Star Alliance, Midway and Austrian.
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      Post #67394, posted on 05-30-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      It's out on eBay. 3 boxing's SAS Star Alliance, Midway and Austrian.
      Cheers,
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      Price at US$36.90 + 12.00 shipping is rather step. Also note the delivery time frame; Estimated between Wed. Jun. 21 and Wed. Jul. 5 Which tells me the vendor does not have these in stock today, just taking hopeful pre-orders.

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      Post #67402, posted on 05-31-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      I'll model the single example I flew- Allegiant (making my own titles)- HSV-FLL for $19.00. And maybe an AeroMexico example - beautiful scheme on that aircraft.



      Ha. The kit will cost you more than the flight!

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      Post #67403, posted on 05-31-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Judging from the photos it looks like there will be a seam to fill in the engine intakes. That's a definite retrograde step from the Minicraft kit which has nice separate one-piece intakes. I'm not sure if the kit Babay photographed was a test shot but there also looks to be some flash around the engine intakes. I'll defer judgment until I see the kit but I've always said not to get too enthusiastic about anything Eastern Express until you've seen the actual kit.

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      Post #67407, posted on 05-31-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      Judging from the photos it looks like there will be a seam to fill in the engine intakes. That's a definite retrograde step from the Minicraft kit which has nice separate one-piece intakes. I'm not sure if the kit Babay photographed was a test shot but there also looks to be some flash around the engine intakes. I'll defer judgment until I see the kit but I've always said not to get too enthusiastic about anything Eastern Express until you've seen the actual kit.




      Hmmm I hadn't noticed the engine intakes.... but you are right. I may make a resin cast of the Minicraft intake and adapt it to the EE kit.

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      Post #67408, posted on 05-31-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      I'm not sure if the kit Babay photographed was a test shot but there also looks to be some flash around the engine intakes.


      Ok, let's make it clear, these photos are not mine and I don't have a kit on my hands. Therefore, I can't say nothing exact about the details.

      The price surprises me too. Looking at prices of other Eastern Express products, I think (hope) it should be around $US 25-30.

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      Post #67418, posted on 06-01-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Received today some explanations from informed guys.

      The kit is physically available in three boxings. For some reason, limited edition kits saw the light first and they are slightly more expensive. The announced version in Iberia colors will be on sale after the June of 10th. But, in any case, the prices on eBay will be more expensive because of the game rules.

      P.S. I do not work for Eastern Express, do not advertise their products and do not have any benefits. Just sharing interesting information.

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