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Post #66211, posted on 02-25-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Amazing work, Kurt! You can really see now the similarities with the 727 engines.

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Post #66213, posted on 02-25-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Very nice Kurt!!

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Post #66219, posted on 02-25-2017 GMT-5 hours    
GGGRRREEAAATTT!!!
Just to say: GREAT WORK - nothing more.
Can't wait to see the engines under the wings
and "Flensburg" in all their glory!
(to say it somewhat pathetic )
Looking forward!

And the early engines are another masterpiece.
👍 👍 👍
I've been looking for a long while...
When will they become available?

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Post #66234, posted on 02-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Kurt! Definitely I am big fan of your job!
Congratulations!

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Post #66263, posted on 03-02-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Almost finished!
I still need to add antennas, pitots and a light weathering for the wings.


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Post #66265, posted on 03-02-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Only one word will do: superb.

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Post #66266, posted on 03-02-2017 GMT-5 hours    
In fact a splendid piece wow ......... beautiful!

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Post #66277, posted on 03-02-2017 GMT-5 hours    
WOW!!!!!
A real masterpiece!
👍 👍 👍 👍 👍

Congratulations Kurt!


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Post #66299, posted on 03-03-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Kurt, that is absolutely superb! Very nice work (both on the kit and building the model)!

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Post #66302, posted on 03-04-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Kurt, that is beautiful!

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Post #66303, posted on 03-04-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Thank you all for your kind comments.
The model is now finished. I applied a light weathering only, as she did not fly for very long in this engine configuration.


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Post #66306, posted on 03-04-2017 GMT-5 hours    
WOW!!! That looks like the real thing!

OK, so what paint are you using to simulate Coroguard? Yours looks very convincing.

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Post #66307, posted on 03-04-2017 GMT-5 hours    
That is just magnificent!! Absolutely flawless. Awesome work Kurt.

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Post #66309, posted on 03-04-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Kurt, I wish I could buy your built models.

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Post #66310, posted on 03-04-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Very nicely done Kurt!!!

Question for the 737-100 gurus;
Any US operators flew the 100 with the original engine configuration?
Or, who all other than Lufthansa flew the 100 with the original engines?

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Post #66311, posted on 03-04-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Hi Walter,

The -100 aircraft adorned with the original (ineffective) thrust reverser design were delivered new to DLH, Avianca, and Malaysia/Singapore Airlines. The two Avianca jets were removed from the fleet quickly due to a lack of "hot and high" airport performance, and eventually flew with Aloha. The first of these aircraft came back in 1973, so I would think that the Rohr conversion would've been accomplished by then. So, I don't think any US domestic airlines used the -100 with those reversers.

That being said, lots of US airlines used the -200 in that configuration such as UAL, Piedmont, Air California, and PSA to name few. I hope that helps.

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Post #66314, posted on 03-04-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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Question for the 737-100 gurus;
Any US operators flew the 100 with the original engine configuration?
Or, who all other than Lufthansa flew the 100 with the original engines?



Go back to the first page and see my profile of N9002U - she flew for some months with the short nacelles, and as Dan noted, so did a number of others. That was the factory standard until sometime in late 1968 (May '69 rings a bell - Dan?) when the extended pipes got FAA approval. All short pipe airplanes were quickly retrofitted in the name of safety. It's kind of a b***h when the main wheels get lifted off the runway when you're trying to slow down!

Great job Kurt. That's a gorgeous model!

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Post #66317, posted on 03-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
There are also a couple of publicity photos of Piedmont's N734N with the original reversers. I don't know if it ever went into service in that configuration.

Oops, just reread the question. N734N was a -200!

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Post #66320, posted on 03-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Hello,

Very close...the first 737 to leave the factory with the Rohr reverser was a United 737-222 (sn 19933, ln 135) on January 3, 1969. Every previous 737 was retrofitted soon thereafter. The 737 went from having the worst reverser to having one that was very effective. Boeing test pilots used to take the Rohr modded airplanes to Boardman's 4,000 ft runway and demonstrate landings to a full stop with just the reversers and no wheel brakes! They were that good! Cool history!

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Post #66324, posted on 03-05-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Wow a stunning piece of work Kurt. A real beauty. I really like the subtle weathering on the wings.

Whats more is AA has provided us with a plethora of kits and window decals to recreate these Airliners.

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Post #66328, posted on 03-06-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Thank you all for your nice comments.
The coroguard is from the local hard ware store and probably not available worldwide.
It comes in a rattle can and is applied to a clear decal sheet and then cut into size. This technique works really good.
You should give a try to various silver paints from your hard ware or automotive store.

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Post #66340, posted on 03-06-2017 GMT-5 hours    
We recently found out an interesting detail on the Piedmont 737 used in the pre-delivery photo session. There were 2 different size Piedmont logos used on the R-side & L-side rear cheatlines. When the A/C was delivered Piedmont decided to delete them altogether in-service!






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Post #66345, posted on 03-07-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Beautiful model but... is it me or does the Coroguard stop short from reaching the wingtips on the ref photos? Looks like the wingtip is mainly natural metal!

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Post #66348, posted on 03-07-2017 GMT-5 hours    
The discussion continues...
Some call it discussion (that's why we have a forum)
others call it arguing...
Anyway, I love it....
Without wanting to contradict anybody.

I would say it's hard to say.
The ref photos may be a good source
but finally: We can't be absolute certain
about those minor details.
And...is it really so important?

It seems to be on the ref photos
the tips might be natural metal.
But could be also light reflections.
Depending on photo, light conditions etc.
sometimes it's really hard to distinguish.
For comparison: Look at J's prototype photo.
The outer port wing seems to be natural metal overall
while the starboard wingtip looks light (BAC?) grey.

As long we have no 100% certain evidence - so what?
Who cares? Might be - might be not.
Who had ever seen an early 737-130
and can remember for sure under oath?
Kurt, leave it as it is!
It's a magnificent model!
Ultimately, you decide for yourself!

My opinion only.
Others of course welcome.
I'm not sensitive.

Sven

P.S.: found that on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DdoWJJL9Xw

Very interesting! 4 parts.
Some of you may already know that video.

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Post #66352, posted on 03-08-2017 GMT-5 hours    
@ the PRIDEbird.... not sure why you are implying I'm arguing, that's a very emotive thing to say, me thinks maybe you want an argument.

I was merely pointing out what was obvious to me. I'm 100% certain the Coroguard stops short of the wingtip in the photos and as a major part of this thread was about accuracy I added some useful information to the conversation, not argument as you imply.

If people think its important to them then its important to them, so long as the builder is happy then as you point out who cares.

But, and there is always a but.... if Kurt is aiming for as an accurate as possible model then it looks like, from the ref, there is a mistake but then as we don't see the actual aircraft wingtip in question of 'ED we will never know. I don't actually care as the model looks stunning as is.

When I build models accuracy isn't that important so long as it looks right but in my work as an illustrator it's vitally important and yes I do get it wrong and having had a lot of work published in magazines such as Airliner World I'm gutted when someone points out a mistake but I'd rather it be pointed out (politely) than ignored or you make the same mistake again and again, sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees.

Anyways I find your aggressive tone quite baffling but as you say you're not sensitive!

Oh crap I just realised I took your bait. ;-)

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Post #66356, posted on 03-08-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Very very inspiring model Kurt. The paneling on the wings look great, not something we see anymore on the newer planes. Any chance you'll release the engines as an accessories set to pimp my Eastern 737-100 kit? Or would that be bad for the sales on your complete kit? (which I'd understand, but you also did the -200Adv. engines).

@Sven: At first glance at your comment I thought you wrote a poem

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Post #66358, posted on 03-08-2017 GMT-5 hours    
@airlinerart1: NOT YOU ARGUING!!!!
In this thread I told my opinion.
I was accused I'm arguing instead of discussing.
Maybe some people can't accept other view of points
or contradictions and feel it as a personal attack.
That is unfortunate but c'est la vie!
The right people may know who is meant
A simple tit-for-tat response.
Nothing more to say about it - leave it as it is.

Yeah I'm total agree with you. It seems the coroguard
stops before the wigtip. It's a very small and easy adjustment
and Kurt could modify it without problems.
I should rather point out the problem of photos.

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far far away..."
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Post #66362, posted on 03-08-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Oh my God! I believe here there are many misunderstandings!
I can't leave it as it is. I try to clarify the situation in english
words as good as I can.

Step 1: Kurt hasn't finished his wonderful "Flensburg" yet
and Great-J. first reaction was a negative review.
Nothing positive like: "Nice done.." "Very nice work.."
etc. something like that. Not a single nice word. Almost like a sledge hammer.

Kurt is so an accurate model builder and he made it with all his effort!
J's words "I hate to be the bearer of potentially bad news, but..."
sounds to me like "I hate to be the bearer of potentially bad news, but...I want to be!"
That's why I made my response (see above). So that was actually done for me at that point.
Sorry J, maybe I expected to much! Sorry if you are miffed. Never my intention.
I was not concerned about whether he was right or not,
I was rather annoyed about it, which he immediately criticized.
That's okay but I didn't liked it.
Can't remember J ever said a good word about a built model.
Oh my God J! I don't wanna touch you! Maybe I'm wrong (I hope so) maybe I just missed it!
I don't want arguing - I want discussing.

Step 2: Was Steve's reaction who said I didn't read the thread.
The avalanche has broken loose. He said J is just trying to help.
Of course! Everyone is trying to help. And that's right!
Everyone knows something what another may don't know.
We all help each other!

I referred to the photos.
Look, things of the past which are gone forever or which became rare today
we often have no 100% evidence how they looked like in real.
Sometimes we have few photos (depending on quality) in worst case
we have nothing except memories.

It's a bit like dinosaurs. Scientifics have fossiles to help for reconstruction.
But they can't say for sure about details. They can't say a T-Rex had a blue feather dress.
No one has ever seen a T-Rex and so we have no 100% evidence. And as long we have no 100% evidence
and no proof of the opposite everything is possible.
Okay the 737-130 isn't a dinosaur (maybe figuratively) and not 65 mio. years ago.
All we have are a few photos and memories. A bit fantasy and maybe not absolute 100% accuracy.
Airlinerart1 you as an illustrator should know it best.
You may take a look in various books (or google in the net)
for a specific dinosaur and you will see how complete different they look like.
The example dinosaurs is just a comparison here in that case.


That's what I tried to say all the time.
Hope you understand what I really mean and
I cooled down the emotions and the file is closed.
It's not always easy to say in a different language.

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Post #66364, posted on 03-08-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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The model is now finished.
Kurt



Hello Kurt,

Your finish is absolutely 1st class, stunning !!! And the panel lines, subtle, superb, well done !!!!

The kind of work I can only dream to reproduce.

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Post #66365, posted on 03-08-2017 GMT-5 hours    
PBird I didn't realise there was an argument going on between you and other folk on here so that explains why it appeared that your rude comments seemed to be aimed at me, you probably think everyone is against you but I'd never heard of you until today, but hey no problem seems like you have apologised so thanks for that.

I must admit I agree with you Pbird on one thing, I do know best and thanks for correcting yourself and agreeing I was 100% right regarding the Coroguard, takes a big man to admit they were wrong! By the way your English is excellent!

So all good and as you say the matter is closed so no need for you to say another word.

Lovely model by the way Kurt.

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Post #66374, posted on 03-08-2017 GMT-5 hours    
airlinerart1 thanks for your kind words! 👍

Seems Kurt modified the wingtips really.
See "Top of the last 24 hours"
http://airlinercafe.com/photo_20438.details.large

Can't see it exactly but seems so.
Or it's the weathering....I don't know...however...
Once again: I love his work!

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Post #66556, posted on 03-20-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Hello mates,

I'd like to buy this Lufthansa decal sheet for the 737-200 in scale 1:144.

Does anybody know, if there is any and where to buy it?

Found it at 26 decals in 1:72. But 1:144 is needed.

Thank you for your help so far.

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Post #66557, posted on 03-20-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Hello Ben,

F-DCAL has the sheet for Lufthansa 737-200 in the range.
See here:

http://www.f-dcal.fr/decals/index.php?id_product=934&controller=product&id_lang=1

Hope it helps.

Cheers
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P.S.: Forgot to mention in 1/144 of course. 👍😉

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Post #66571, posted on 03-21-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Thank U Sven,

looks good, but there are two things I don't like in this sheet.

- the complete tail fin decal with the blue
- you can only make just one special plane

But thank you anyway, that's more then I found.

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Post #66604, posted on 03-23-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Yeah there's only one specific ship.
That is the catch on the thing.

Not quite sure but I think to remember
26 had a sheet with various registrations (or I'm wrong???)
Maybe it's only out of print at the time
and 26 will make a new edition?
A downscaled 1/72 sheet?
Hopefully....interested as well...

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Post #66608, posted on 03-23-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Hi Sven,

yeah, that's my thinking and what I wrote to Mr. Charles at 26.

Why don't you offer the same sheet as you have in 72 in 144!?

I think there will be a lot of interested folks to by it. We'll see what happens.

Best regards