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Post #65665, posted on 01-21-2017 GMT-5 hours    
This year, we will celebrate the 50th birthday of the B737, hence I decided to build one of my 737-100 kits representing the first " in service " B737.
It was the fourth 737-100 build for Lufthansa to make the inauguration passenger flight on 10.02.1968.
D-ABED flew the first time with passengers on that day from Frankfurt to Munich, while EA/EB and EC where used by Boeing for further tests and for cockpit crew training.
I will build it my preferred way; closing all upper fuselage panel line and re scribe`em later into the final color paint.
Here is the first pic after closing the panel lines with primer.


Then I sanded off the excess primer and added the vertical fin.


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Post #65667, posted on 01-21-2017 GMT-5 hours    
I didn't Know you make the -100 Kurt...

Looks great so far

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Post #65668, posted on 01-21-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Hi Kurt,

have a similar project in my mind.
Early LH 737-130 in delivery "parabola tail" scheme.
What's about the early short engine nacelles?
How do you solve that problem?

Searched the net but couldn't find
that type of nacelles as conversion parts
in 1/144 scale nowhere.


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Post #65669, posted on 01-21-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Andre, you should have a better look the the web site.
I have done only the longer tail pipe so far, but the short one, very early engine will be become available soon.

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Post #65670, posted on 01-21-2017 GMT-5 hours    
A dear friend of mine who now drives Boeing widebodies would have flown that exact aircraft when it was registered ZK-NEC. The -100 has long been dear to me for that reason and I've wanted to build one in Ansett NZ colors for a long while. This may just inspire me. Looking forward to watching your progress, Kurt.

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Post #65671, posted on 01-21-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Here's what she looked like on that day. Who could have ever guessed where the humble 737 would end up all these years later?


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A dear friend of mine who now drives Boeing widebodies would have flown that exact aircraft when it was registered ZK-NEC. The -100 has long been dear to me for that reason and I've wanted to build one in Ansett NZ colors for a long while. This may just inspire me. Looking forward to watching your progress, Kurt.

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Here's ZK-NEA...


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Post #65676, posted on 01-21-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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... but the short one, very early engine will be become available soon.

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Post #65678, posted on 01-21-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Hi Kurt,

Great news! I think the early reversers look really nice and I would like to sign up for a kit when they become available!

The original reversers were pretty ineffective, according the 737 test pilot Brien Wygle. He jokingly said, "It was the first time I have been able to get constant speed data in reverse thrust!" This was all due to the reverser outlet being under the wing which created high pressure under the inboard wing. In deep reverse, this would lift a significant amount of weight from the wheels, limiting the effectiveness of the wheel brakes. Not a good combination.

The later Rohr (DC-9 style) reversers were very, very effective, fortunately. To me, the Rohr units felt more like a turboprop "Beta" reverse than a jet reverser.

I am looking forward to seeing the progress!

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Post #65679, posted on 01-21-2017 GMT-5 hours    
The early reverser was based on the 727 design and was production standard on all 100/200 until they came up with the longer duct. I've got some pretty extensive pictures and content from researching these, people can PM me if they need to get access.

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Post #65680, posted on 01-21-2017 GMT-5 hours    
The main problem with the early reversers was that due to the geometry of the short pipe, they actually picked the back end of the airplane up off the ground! They rendered the brakes on the main gear almost totally ineffective.

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Post #65681, posted on 01-21-2017 GMT-5 hours    
For what it's worth, the first revenue flight of a 737-200 was on 28 April 1968, flown by 737-222 N9002U, from ORD to GRR (Grand Rapids, Michigan), at one time my home airport.



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Post #65696, posted on 01-22-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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A dear friend of mine who now drives Boeing widebodies would have flown that exact aircraft when it was registered ZK-NEC. The -100 has long been dear to me for that reason and I've wanted to build one in Ansett NZ colors for a long while. This may just inspire me. Looking forward to watching your progress, Kurt.

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Here's ZK-NEA...





And I flew on that same plane shortly after Ansett NZ started. They gave all the CO staff a free ticket, so I went AKL WLG and back. It was memorable because they had a meal service onboard, something Air NZ had never done. Unless you call tea and a piece of cheese in packaging that was impossible to open a meal service.

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Post #66001, posted on 02-10-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Here is a little update. The fuselage is basically done however missing a few details like antennas, beacons and pitots.
This is what I have done so far:

- upper fuselage primed with Tamiya Fine Surface Primer White, which is actually the final paint for the upper fuselage.
I finally polished it starting with 4000 grid up to 12000. This gives it a shine between semi and gloss.
- lower fuselage prepared with Mr. Surfacer 1200
- wing box airbrushed in light grey
- vertical fin airbrushed with Tamiya blue X-4
- upper fuselage panel lines re-sribed
- bare metal foil applied to the lower fuselage
- most of the basic decals applied

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Post #66002, posted on 02-10-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Wow, that was quick! Good job!

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Post #66005, posted on 02-10-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Looks magnificent!! What do you use to re-scribe the panel lines? They look just about perfect.

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Post #66008, posted on 02-10-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Hi Kurt,
I can recommend the Authentic Airliners cabin windows, they're awesome!!
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Post #66009, posted on 02-10-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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I can recommend the Authentic Airliners cabin windows, they're awesome!!
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+1. If you can make holes in the plastic look more realistic than that my hat's off to ya!

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Post #66043, posted on 02-12-2017 GMT-5 hours    
I am re-sribing the panel lines with a sharp steel needle.
Firstly, I draw the panel lines with a pencil.
Secondly, I apply various brands of masking tapes along these pencil lines from strong ones for straight lines to flexible ones for compound curves.
I should admit, that it needs a bit of practice.

I used 26 decals plus authentic decals for the cockpit windows.
The yellow circle with the crane is translucent. I had to put a white circle onto the blue fin first, which I cut into size from a plain white decal sheet.

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Post #66053, posted on 02-12-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Nice Kurt!

Beautiful work!

Ship Four was also significant as the aircraft used to demonstrate the workload of the two person crew cockpit for certification. This airplane was flown up and down the Eastern Corridor, with all kinds of simulated failures, usually with one pilot pretending to be incapacitated. A full crew of FAA inspectors were along in the cabin evaluating the ease of operating the aircraft, monitoring video and audio. It was a real challenge for Boeing, but the airplane's cockpit was designed so well, that it sailed through with flying colors. Cool history!

I think I would like to build this aircraft as well, but with the "Parabola" scheme. Any word on when it will be available with the early reversers?

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Post #66058, posted on 02-13-2017 GMT-5 hours    
The early engines are in production and should be available soon.

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Post #66060, posted on 02-13-2017 GMT-5 hours    
GGGRRREEEAAATTT!!! FANTASTIC! AMAZING! 👍👍👍
Waiting for the early engines.

D-ABED looks wonderful Kurt! Love it!

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Post #66081, posted on 02-14-2017 GMT-5 hours    
That really is wonderful Kurt.

Did you use Matt Aluminium Bare Metal Foil? I've seen models covered in BMF which look like they've been chrome plated but yours is spot-on.

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Post #66082, posted on 02-14-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Wow look very nice Kurt, A real classic scheme.

You mention you used 26 decals. I didn't see the decals on their site for the 737 in 1/144. Did Ray resize the decals?

Thanks for any info.

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Post #66083, posted on 02-14-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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Wow look very nice Kurt, A real classic scheme.

You mention you used 26 decals. I didn't see the decals on their site for the 737 in 1/144. Did Ray resize the decals?

Thanks for any info.



I don't want to pre-empt Kurt's reply but Nick Webb is now offering several 737-100 liveries in his Classic Airlines decals including Lufthansa - sheet CA144-408. If you're not familiar with Nick's products they are at least as good as 26's laser decals. I have no connection with Nick apart from being a very satisfied customer.

http://www.classic-airlines.com/airliner-decalsc.html

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Post #66088, posted on 02-14-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Yes, I used Matt Aluminum Bare Metal Foil. I think it looks more realistic than Chrome and can be buffed to various shines.
Ray kindly customized the LH decal for me.

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Post #66113, posted on 02-18-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Here is a short update.
- wings and stabs painted in a standard color scheme
- landing gear assembled and installed
- red anti collision lights on top and lower fuselage added
I am now waiting for the short reverser engines for this kit.


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Post #66154, posted on 02-21-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Looks great Kurt!!

I hate to be the bearer of potentially bad news, but I'm about 99% sure that those early 737s didn't have the aft part of the wing painted BAC 707 grey. They had a lot more natural metal on them back then.

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Post #66155, posted on 02-21-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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Looks great Kurt!!

I hate to be the bearer of potentially bad news, but I'm about 99% sure that those early 737s didn't have the aft part of the wing painted BAC 707 grey. They had a lot more natural metal on them back then.

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..but I'm about 99% sure this is an early later 737 in an early 80ies livery modification.

Lufthansa has modified the livery on it's 737-130 sometime
(and not only the livery - probably when LH refitted the reversers - don't know)
e.g. the forward grey underbelly protectiv coating was different shaped.
In late 60ies early 70ies curved.
From early 70ies angled as on other's (727 etc.)
And they had the aft wing part painted BAC 707.

And that's why I'm about 99% sure Kurt's one is an early 80ies livery.
Sure because the previous had some blanked windows too.

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Post #66158, posted on 02-21-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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Looks great Kurt!!

I hate to be the bearer of potentially bad news, but I'm about 99% sure that those early 737s didn't have the aft part of the wing painted BAC 707 grey. They had a lot more natural metal on them back then.

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..but I'm about 99% sure this is an early later 737 in an early 80ies livery modification.

Lufthansa has modified the livery on it's 737-130 sometime
(and not only the livery - probably when LH refitted the reversers - don't know)
e.g. the forward grey underbelly protectiv coating was different shaped.
In late 60ies early 70ies curved.
From early 70ies angled as on other's (727 etc.)
And they had the aft wing part painted BAC 707.

And that's why I'm about 99% sure Kurt's one is an early 80ies livery.
Sure because the previous had some blanked windows too.

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Or you missed the part in the title "first in service". Probably meaning depicted in the way it entered service, and why it is waiting for the early first engines. Looking at the pics, there are no "blanked out" windows, just realistic shades down. J is trying to help.

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Post #66176, posted on 02-23-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Hi XRadar,

no need to be aggressive.

J is trying to help.
I know. We all know J is trying to help - me too!
If he draws attention to mistakes why shouldn't I do that?
Why shouldn't I say my opinion?
I did not personally attacked him in any kind!
(sorry Jennings, it hasn't something to do with you)

But that's a forum here.

Probably meaning depicted in the way it entered service...
Yeah, probably. Probably not. Kurt never made a statement
which exact time it is during "first-in-service" long
scheduled service. Only he knows. It's Kurt's model.
The ailerons were natural - the rear area BAC707.
But maybe Kurt hasn't finished it yet completely?
And he will add some details e.g. natural ailerons????
That's why I found J made his opinion a bit too early
before Kurt's 737-130 is finally completed.

So what?

And probably you didn't read exactly what I wrote about the windows.

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Post #66180, posted on 02-23-2017 GMT-5 hours    
The engines are a give away. I bet they changed them out before any of your suggestions, you probably didn't read that part.

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Post #66182, posted on 02-23-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Hi everyone,

I think that everyone involved means well here...I really do. Personally, I do like these discussions because they often make our work more accurate.

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Post #66183, posted on 02-23-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Hello again,

I went through my book photos and found a photo of Ship 4 which has the "Parabola" scheme and German registration D-ABEC. This would have been after Flight Test and prior to service entry. I wish I could post the photo, but it is Boeing proprietary, so I will try to describe the wing paint. Jennings might be on to something, but be aware that I am looking at a black and white photo.

Here goes...The area of the wings, aft of the in-spar area is what I assume to be a very light grey (BAC Grey?), except for the ailerons and the panel forward of them, which is bare metal. The leading edges of the trailing edge flaps (a thin strip, on top of the wings when retracted) appear to be bare metal as well. The wing-to-body-fairing aft of cabin window #8 is painted the same color. The WTBF forward of this location appears to be a darker grey color along with the cargo doors and the lavatory service panel. When this was changed and whether or not Ship 4 wore the same scheme, I can't confirm unfortunately. This could have easily been changed when the aircraft went to the paint shop to get the solid blue tail, prior to inaugural service. I fear that I have provided more questions than answers...

Clear as mud, right?

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Post #66185, posted on 02-23-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Hi Jennings,

Very nice...Yes, similar to that except the aft WTBF was painted the same color as the grey wing color.

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Post #66186, posted on 02-23-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Yep. Most Boeings (if not all) at that point were similarly painted.

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Post #66187, posted on 02-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Nice pic Jennings.
But that's not Lufthansa!
What are we talking about?
Do we talk about Boeing 737 prototype
or first-in-service Lufthansa livery?
Especially about Kurt's D-ABED?????
As far as I noticed Kurt's pics show D-ABED in Lufthansa colors!
Or probably I'm blind or didn't have looked exactly.

Lufthansa's 737 wing differs.
The first three 737's intended to Lufthansa
(D-ABEA till D-ABEC)
had the parabola tail.
They were repainted in Hamburg
before entering service.
And their layout isn't comparable.
The others were delivered in LH's
actual scheme at that time.
Grey (don't know it's real BAC707)
aft wing part (with natural ailerons).
I wrote that a while ago in another topic
"Lost schemes" here in the forum.

I searched the net, books and
my extensive postcard collection
for a long long while.
I found only 2 pics where the wing upper side
of an early 737-100 - to be absolute exactly:
a Lufthansa 737-130 with EARLY engines
(XRadar I read it well!) is - partly - visible.
One is D-ABEF on a pre-delivery flight
https://www.austrianwings.info/2016/10/ende-einer-erfolgsstory-lufthansa-und-die-boeing-737/
the other one is from a Lufthansa postcard
with a retouched fake registration.

There's no evidence that it wasn't so.
No evidence that Kurt didn't made it right
no matter which engines he select.
By the lack of good Lufthansa 737-130 pics
nothing speaks against it, nothing speaks for it.
We can't say Kurt made it wrong!
If you have more or better pics -
gimme the link, gimme the proof.
I would be glad about it!

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Post #66189, posted on 02-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Take a look at Jennings uploaded 737 prototype pic!
The outer edge of starboard wing seems to be
light (BAC??) grey same as inner part.
The outer part of the port side wing
looks complete natural.

Only light reflections?
Can't believe BOEING made it asymmetrical.
Again: It shows not Lufthansa!

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Post #66190, posted on 02-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Folks, before we completely pile on top of Kurt, could we please give him a chance to respond? I'd like to hear his rebuttal to all this. Maybe he had a reason for doing this because he found something we don't know. Maybe he made an incorrect assumption. Maybe he just wants his model to look this way. I don't know. I'd like for him to tell us.

Kurt, do you care to comment?

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Post #66191, posted on 02-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Agree with you Jodie!
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Post #66192, posted on 02-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
I give up. I'm aware that the photograph isn't Lufthansa (notice the different colors of stripes, different words, etc - pretty obvious). But I *have* done a good bit of research on the early 737s, and I have yet to find any significant differences between the prototype's wing colors and those of any of the early customers.

Sven, you'd argue with a stop sign. Enjoy yourself, I'm done with you.

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Post #66198, posted on 02-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Guys and girls, please cool down a bit about this issue!
IŽll get back to this in more detail tomorrow.

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Post #66199, posted on 02-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Wow everybody....

To me, I feel that Jennings was just showing a photo of Ship One which was similar to what I described on my photo of Ship Four (not posted for said reasons)...which of course is not the airplane that Kurt is modeling. I kinda thought that this was a friendly discussion and I doubt anyone should be offended. Kurt does absolutely brilliant work and I think everyone agrees. He is one of the very best and exceeds my ability by a large margin.

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Dan

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Post #66202, posted on 02-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Geez, folks.




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Post #66203, posted on 02-25-2017 GMT-5 hours    
At first, I want to thank Jennings for the tip about the paint scheme of the wings, as well as Dan for the more detailed informations.
Also many thanks to Sven for supporting me.

Even those pictures and informations were not adequate for me to determine the proper arrangement of grey and metallic surfaces of the trailing edge.
The lack of meaningful pictures was the reason why I have chosen initially the all grey option.
But now, Mike jumped in and saved my day, by posting the window views. Though I donŽt know wether D-ABED had exactly the same paint scheme like the aircraft of the window views, I decided to modify the wings accordingly, but see yourself.........


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Post #66205, posted on 02-25-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Now we have definite certainty!
Fantastic pics!
Both - the real ones and
- of course - Kurt's
brilliant work.


Thanks so much Mike and Kurt!

Yeah those pics are very hard to find.
The rear upper wing part isn't
grey at all and not complete natural.
I'm glad to have this information
for my own 737-130 project.

Can't await to see Kurt's D-ABED with engines.

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Post #66207, posted on 02-25-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Outstanding! Thanks for the information and the photos.

PBoilermaker: Nice inservice photos. They also show how dirty the original 727-style reversers made the wings of the 737...and this is Lufthansa, whose planes are always immaculate!

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Post #66208, posted on 02-25-2017 GMT-5 hours    
Looks Great, Kurt!!

This is the problem with modelling older birds. There is not much in the way of photo-documentation. Even finding photos for the TWA MD-80 I'm currently building has been a challenge! (If any one has a picture of the middle section of the belling of a TWA MD-80 I'd be very appreciative!)


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Post #66210, posted on 02-25-2017 GMT-5 hours    
This morning, I received the first short reverser engine set for the 737-100.
I have cut the engines for molding and casting at different stations to make it easier for the modeler to differ between left and right. The one on top with the shorter aft section is the right hand engine.


Now the engines are assembled and painted with my favorite primer.


Kurt