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      Post #64821, posted on 11-01-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      The Mikro Mir two new kits are available now:

      144-013 Armstrong-Whitworth Argosy (100 series) ELAN
      144-014 Armstrong-Whitworth Argosy (200 series) BEA Cargo

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      Post #64822, posted on 11-01-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Brings back fond memories of the first RAF aircraft I ever flew on, the dear old 'Whistling Tit'. 'Whistling' because of the high-pitched scream of those Dart engines. A look at the nose with that little protruding radome will tell you the rest.

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      Post #64823, posted on 11-01-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      WHERE ARE THEY AVAILABLE ???

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      Post #64824, posted on 11-01-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      ebay:
      LkAAOSwImRYFG-8">ELAN and
      BkAAOSwXeJYFHD8">BEA Cargo

      soon in Hannants:
      https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM144-013
      https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM144-014

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      Post #64825, posted on 11-01-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      WHERE ARE THEY AVAILABLE ???



      Why all CAPS? Please do not capitalize everything, it is considered shouting. Thanks.

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      Post #64826, posted on 11-01-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      WHERE ARE THEY AVAILABLE ???



      Why all CAPS? Please do not capitalize everything, it is considered shouting. Thanks.



      dont understand this statement. what is "CAPS" ? cant find any relationship to the previous postings

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      Post #64828, posted on 11-01-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Sorry for the CAPS.

      Sometimes I do need to read what I wrote...

      Luiz Claudio

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      Post #64829, posted on 11-01-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      Luiz Claudio :
      WHERE ARE THEY AVAILABLE ???



      Why all CAPS? Please do not capitalize everything, it is considered shouting. Thanks.



      dont understand this statement. what is "CAPS" ? cant find any relationship to the previous postings



      "Caps" is a standard American/British abbreviation for "capital" (or "upper case") letters. As aro757 points out, posting in capital letters is considered the written equivalent of shouting.

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      Post #65238, posted on 12-21-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Somebody please help me. I'm out of control. Not only did I just buy the Warpaint book on the Argosy (very nice!), but I broke down today and ordered a MikroMir kit (BEA red square, of course!).

      I had no idea the civilian and military versions had so many differences. Radome up front, different wing tip leading edges, and an upper bulge in the clam shell cargo door aft.

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      Post #65239, posted on 12-21-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      My resistance hasn't broken yet, but it won't be long. From looking at the different kits on eBay it seems as if the Elan version also comes with BEA markings. Both civilian models have quite a variety of markings included - I quite fancy the the yellow topped Australian IPEC version. Years ago, I used to see Air Bridge (ABC) Agosies every night on cargo duties flying from my local airport.

      In fact my resistance is beginning to weaken...off to eBay for a look...

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      Post #65247, posted on 12-22-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Got mine yesterday...





      Got a little excited and cut off some big pieces already! Note that the white square in the pic above is the window masks sheet! The clear parts aren't in the pic as they don't photograph well. (The pax windows are all individual pieces)




      Note that (on my example at least) the floor and ceiling pieces are a little too wide, so the fuselage halves don't close up neatly - gonna have to remove the locating pins and massage them with a motor tool to fix.

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      Post #65249, posted on 12-22-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      I'm going to do mine buttoned up, so none of the innards will be in there. How do the fuselage halves fit without the guts inside?

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      Post #65250, posted on 12-22-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      That's where I got it. $33 plus $12 shipping. That's about $5 cheaper than Hobby Terra.

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      Post #65253, posted on 12-22-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      There's a seller on eBay who is selling them at £24 plus £9 shipping (possibly the one you bought yours from). Hannants have now got then in stock at £30 plus their postage which works out overall at pretty much the same but I can also buy a few other things from Hannants at the same time. For such a small model it is a bit pricey and doesn't exactly bode well for a reasonably priced MD-11 coming from MikroMir soon.

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      Post #65255, posted on 12-22-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      You realize it's almost 2017, right? $33 for a model of this size, and relative obscurity, at least in my book, is a very good value. If you want a 1/144 injection molded MD-11 kit for $5, you're in for a sad life.

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      Post #65259, posted on 12-22-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      I'm going to do mine buttoned up, so none of the innards will be in there. How do the fuselage halves fit without the guts inside?


      So am I, but you still need to install the floor, as the nosegear mounts directly onto it.

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      Post #65261, posted on 12-22-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Is the floor the problem area keeping the fuselage halves apart, or is it the other structure?

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      Post #65263, posted on 12-22-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      It's definitely the floor. (I added the bulkheads fore and aft to maintain the fuselage cross-section, so it doesn't curl in)

      On each fuselage half, there are niches for the locating pins moulded to the side of the floor. I glued the floor as instructed to one fuselage half and regularly checked it as it dried to keep it squared up. (remember the nosegear mounts directly to the underside of the floor - or that will get wonky too!)



      When it came time to place the remaining fuselage, it contacted the floor at the front far too early and would push it up and out of square. So the remaining locating pins on the floor need to go and it needs "finessing" shape-wise for the fuselage to close up snugly.

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      Post #65344, posted on 12-30-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      My BEA version arrived today. The BEA decals are on the small extra sheet, but annoyingly are missing the CARGO titles, and also the wing version of one of the sets of registrations. Does anyone have the CARGO titles in their kit?

      Strangely, it does include BBA CARGO titles for an Australian aircraft not mentioned in the instructions, but there are no registrations (VH-BBA).

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      Post #65346, posted on 12-30-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      If anyone's interested, I'm going to do a little sheet that will include correct (and not transparent) BEA markings, including the CARGO titles and correctly styled registration letters. It will be a bit before I can do it, but I'll let you know cost and availability when I know it.

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      Post #65347, posted on 12-30-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      ^ I'm in!

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      Post #65348, posted on 12-30-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Jennings,

      I'd certainly be interested in a good quality BEA Cargo decal for the Argosy.......................

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      Post #65355, posted on 12-30-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      Here's a start on it..


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      Post #65357, posted on 12-30-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      I was about to say that I'd since noticed that the white Argosy/Rolls Royce text is also missing, as are the Union Flags although both items are referred to in the instructions.

      There seems to be a couple of variations of the text boxes.

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      Post #65363, posted on 12-31-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      I'll be in too for some BEA decals.

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      Post #65364, posted on 12-31-2016 GMT-5 hours    
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      There seems to be a couple of variations of the text boxes.



      It's not on many of the a/c at all. I found an excellent, clear photo of G-ASXM where you can read the wording, and one other, that appears to have the same lettering. If you have clear photos showing different wording (not photos of models - I never copy someone else's work), please pass it along.

      Some a/c have the reg in white at the top of the vertical tail, some had it in bigger letters in the black stripe at the rear. Seems all a/c had the Royal Mail emblem (also not on the kit decal?), and probably the last letter of the reg in white in the black stripe at the very aft end of the fuselage bubble. Last two letters in black on the nose gear doors.

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      Post #65368, posted on 12-31-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      I now can't find the photo I was thinking of. It was by no means a sharp image but it looked like the wording started A.W.650... and ended with Propellers rather than Props.

      Regarding the placement of the registration, from the photos I've seen it looks like the series 102 aircraft had it on the tail and the series 222 had it on the fuselage.

      There's no Royal Mail emblem on the decal sheet.

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      Post #65370, posted on 12-31-2016 GMT-5 hours    
      The only photo I've seen that said "A.W. 650" was a model. And I never trust someone else's work.

      Have you noticed that the BEA airplanes (at least the 200 series) didn't have any cabin windows other than in the escape hatches?

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      Post #65654, posted on 01-20-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      My kit just arrived. First impression is very good! Some head-scratchers on the decal, but that's easy enough to put right. The kit looks really nice though. The surface detail is exceptional.

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      Post #65655, posted on 01-20-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      You're right Jennings, it's a nice little kit.

      It deserves some good quality after-market decals to make it complete.........


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      Post #65657, posted on 01-20-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Little being the operative word. Man, that airplane is TINY!! I had it pictured as being C-130 sized. Not even!

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      Post #65699, posted on 01-23-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Hello all,

      Received mine Argosy this weekend, nice kit, it will be a fun build.
      However, agree with Jennings, we need new decals, planning to do out of the box BEA scheme.

      Jennings let us when we can order from Fundekals !

      Thanks.

      All the best,
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      Post #65705, posted on 01-23-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      It'll be a bit, but all the individual pieces are already done (from my ca. 1994 BEA red square releases!), and I've done the CARGO markings already.

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      Post #65706, posted on 01-23-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Thanks Jennings, worth the wait.

      It will look nice with your decals, the original is missing the union jack ! and I do have the Xtracolors paint BEA red .

      Regards,

      All the best,
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      Post #65711, posted on 01-23-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      I had a stray thought (always scary...). I'm running a sheet for a client that will have all the colors needed for the BEA Argosy on it. Let me see if I can squeeze it on there... That will get it out sooner. It will be a sort of "private stock" deal, not necessarily an LU branded thing, and I won't do an instruction sheet. There are plenty of photos online, which is my main source anyway. Stay tuned.

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      Post #65712, posted on 01-23-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Cool !

      Thanks.

      All the best,
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      Post #65714, posted on 01-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      I had a stray thought (always scary...). I'm running a sheet for a client that will have all the colors needed for the BEA Argosy on it. Let me see if I can squeeze it on there... That will get it out sooner. It will be a sort of "private stock" deal, not necessarily an LU branded thing, and I won't do an instruction sheet. There are plenty of photos online, which is my main source anyway. Stay tuned.



      I'll take a couple of sets, please.

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      Post #65716, posted on 01-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Great news Jennings !

      Count me in for several.......


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      Post #67030, posted on 04-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      I had a stray thought (always scary...). I'm running a sheet for a client that will have all the colors needed for the BEA Argosy on it. Let me see if I can squeeze it on there... That will get it out sooner. It will be a sort of "private stock" deal, not necessarily an LU branded thing, and I won't do an instruction sheet. There are plenty of photos online, which is my main source anyway. Stay tuned.



      Jennings,

      Any chance that you can include this Argosy update sheet in with the B737-800 print run?

      A windshield and windows would be nice too for those of us who prefer them.

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      Post #67031, posted on 04-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Nick just provided us with some nice liveries for the Argosy as well,

      http://www.classic-airlines.com/420.html --> Sagittair
      http://www.classic-airlines.com/421.html --> Air Anglia
      http://www.classic-airlines.com/422.html --> Rolls Royce
      http://www.classic-airlines.com/423.html --> Universal Airlines


      Cheers,
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      Post #67032, posted on 04-24-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Any chance of a Zantop/Logair decal for the Argosy?

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      Post #67060, posted on 04-27-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      Fyi, as revealed in a discussion on Britmodeller, the missing BEA items (Union Flags, 'CARGO' titles, and the white text in boxes) are on the sheet in the other boxing of the kit (the one with the Elan aircraft on the front). I'm not sure if the Royal Mail emblem is prsent as well.

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      Post #67076, posted on 04-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      So is there any difference between the `-100' and `-200' kit plastic apart from decals and boxing? i.e. If wanting to use a 3rd Party decal or home-made markings can one get either kit?

      http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a0/73/66/a07366087785e003fa14f63d856ecefd.jpg

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      Post #67087, posted on 04-28-2017 GMT-5 hours    
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      So is there any difference between the `-100' and `-200' kit plastic apart from decals and boxing? i.e. If wanting to use a 3rd Party decal or home-made markings can one get either kit?

      I've got both kits and the plastic and photo etch are the same.

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      Post #67091, posted on 04-29-2017 GMT-5 hours    
      In case some folks don't know, on the real aircraft the obvious difference between the two models is the wing fence.

      The -100s do not have them, whilst the -200s do!

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